From Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br  Tue Sep  2 21:39:57 2003
From: Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br (Marcos Ambrosio)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:39:57 -0300
Subject: [NoCatNet] =?iso-8859-1?Q?NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn=B4t_work_=3F?=
Message-ID: <006701c37192$61e271e0$0201a8c0@prolan.com.br>

Hi all,

I am new to NoCat and have some problems with autentication with mysql.

I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same machine but on
different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and /usr/local/nocat/gw.

With Passwd itīs OK, but Dbi,  I do not add user.

When I try register user I receive :

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port 443


And the Apache error_log:
[2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice
at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE> line 1.
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at
../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE> line 1.
[Tue Sep  2 18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature end of
script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register

My authserv.conf :
###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service Configuration.
#
# Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per
# line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any
# line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to
# be a comment.
Verbosity 10
HomePage http://nocat.net/
DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs
# Passwd source
 DataSource     DBI
#DataSource     Passwd
Database        dbi:mysql:database=nocat
DB_User         nocat
DB_Passwd       hispasswd
#UserFile       /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd
#GroupUserFile  /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group
#GroupAdminFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm
UserTable       member
UserIDField     login
UserPasswdField pass
UserAuthField   status
UserStampField  created

GroupTable      network
GroupIDField    network
GroupAdminField admin
MinPasswdLength 6
# LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet
# (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname
# of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)
#
# LocalGateway 192.168.1.7
LoginForm login.html
LoginOKForm login_ok.html
FatalForm fatal.html
ExpiredForm expired.html
RenewForm renew.html
PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html
RegisterForm register.html
RegisterOKForm register_ok.html
RegisterFields Name URL Description
UpdateForm update.html
UpdateFields URL Description
###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.
#
LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's Network.
LoginMissing Please fill in all fields!
LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.
RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information to
register.Reg
isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is already taken.
Are
 you already registered?
RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. Did you
spell
 it correctly?
RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters long.
RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.
UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.
UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight characters long.
UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your account.
RegisterUserExists  Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. Are you
already
 registered?

MySql Version is Server version          3.23.41

Where is the problem ?

Thanks a lot.

Marcos Ambrosio



From jduncanson at hotpop.com  Wed Sep  3 00:13:54 2003
From: jduncanson at hotpop.com (Jay Duncanson)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:13:54 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
Message-ID: <BB7A7242.B396%jduncanson@hotpop.com>

Hi -

I've just discovered the NoCat site after Googling the NoCat Holly Ridge
node, which I discovered with KisMac from the ridgetop where I live.
Geographically I'm about halfway between Guerneville and Healdsburg. I'm
blocked to the south from most of the NoCat nodes by Mount Jackson. From up
here I can see central Windsor and the hills to the north, south and east of
Windsor, and all the way to the ocean to the west.

Topo Map:  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/sweetwater_map.gif

I've been looking for some means of bringing a reasonable form of access up
to the ridge to replace or supplement my 28.8 dialup link. The three
commercial providers I've contacted (AccessPort, CDS1 and Broadlink) haven't
panned out.

Using a standalone cantenna, as well as an old 12' satellite dish with the
cantenna handheld roughly at the focal point, I've scanned a surprising
number of 802.11b nodes. Here's a list of found nodes:

Found nodes:  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/nodes.html

(Cantenna pix):  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/cantenna.jpg

Are any of these nodes recognizable (aside from the NoCat Holly Ridge node)?
In particular, the "Telecommute" site comes in very strong. I suspect it's
located on Mt. Jackson, about a mile south of me. I've seen reference to
this site in the NoCat mailing list archives. Has it been identified yet? If
possible, I'd like to contact the owner about possible access.

So whom could I contact within the NoCat community to determine the chances
of establishing a usable link to NoCat or any other network? My background
is communications engineering (also a former ham) so I'm not an RF neophyte,
but it's been a while so I'd need to brush up on my microwave chops. I know
I'm a bit distant from the existing NoCat net map, but I've got altitude,
some clear lines of sight, and antenna space.

Any hope?

Thanks,

Jay
 
_________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com




From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep  3 00:30:56 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:30:56 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
References: <BB7A7242.B396%jduncanson@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c371aa$479a7630$1e082a0a@notebook>

Hi Jay -

We've never identified who owns the "telecommute" ssid, but it is visible from
large portions of the county, as is the ATGI essid.  Several of us believe that
both of those have amplifiers on them well of at least 1 watt, maybe more.

Most of the other ssid's in your list appear to be home users or businesses.
Given your location and elevation I would say it's going to be tricky to
triangulate on any of them, but it is possible with a laptop, an antenna and a
car, if you have lots of spare time.  ;)

Not sure how to read your table where it says "Max" but to NoCat-HollyRidge you
show a number of 11.  Is that 11db of signal?  What kind of radio card are you
using?

There are a few of us with 24db dishes and 200mw radio cards that would be
available to come out your way and see what kind of signal we could get.

Roger Weeks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Duncanson" <jduncanson@hotpop.com>
To: <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...


| Hi -
|
| I've just discovered the NoCat site after Googling the NoCat Holly Ridge
| node, which I discovered with KisMac from the ridgetop where I live.
| Geographically I'm about halfway between Guerneville and Healdsburg. I'm
| blocked to the south from most of the NoCat nodes by Mount Jackson. From up
| here I can see central Windsor and the hills to the north, south and east of
| Windsor, and all the way to the ocean to the west.
|
| Topo Map:  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/sweetwater_map.gif
|
| I've been looking for some means of bringing a reasonable form of access up
| to the ridge to replace or supplement my 28.8 dialup link. The three
| commercial providers I've contacted (AccessPort, CDS1 and Broadlink) haven't
| panned out.
|
| Using a standalone cantenna, as well as an old 12' satellite dish with the
| cantenna handheld roughly at the focal point, I've scanned a surprising
| number of 802.11b nodes. Here's a list of found nodes:
|
| Found nodes:  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/nodes.html
|
| (Cantenna pix):  http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/cantenna.jpg
|
| Are any of these nodes recognizable (aside from the NoCat Holly Ridge node)?
| In particular, the "Telecommute" site comes in very strong. I suspect it's
| located on Mt. Jackson, about a mile south of me. I've seen reference to
| this site in the NoCat mailing list archives. Has it been identified yet? If
| possible, I'd like to contact the owner about possible access.
|
| So whom could I contact within the NoCat community to determine the chances
| of establishing a usable link to NoCat or any other network? My background
| is communications engineering (also a former ham) so I'm not an RF neophyte,
| but it's been a while so I'd need to brush up on my microwave chops. I know
| I'm a bit distant from the existing NoCat net map, but I've got altitude,
| some clear lines of sight, and antenna space.
|
| Any hope?
|
| Thanks,
|
| Jay
|
| _________________________________
| Jay Duncanson
| jduncanson@hotpop.com
|
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| NoCatNet mailing list
| NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
| http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
|



From jazstrad at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  3 05:27:59 2003
From: jazstrad at yahoo.com (Jaz Strad)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?
In-Reply-To: <006701c37192$61e271e0$0201a8c0@prolan.com.br>
Message-ID: <20030903042759.94851.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>

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you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd according to 
DB_User         nocat
DB_Passwd       hispasswd

example: at the mysql prompt
>GRANT SELECT, INSERT ON nocat.* To nocat@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'hispasswd';
 
Try to search "Introduction to MySql" at google.
 
Augustine

Marcos Ambrosio <mambrosio@prolan.com.br> wrote:
Hi all,

I am new to NoCat and have some problems with autentication with mysql.

I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same machine but on
different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and /usr/local/nocat/gw.

With Passwd it#24832; OK, but Dbi, I do not add user.

When I try register user I receive :

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port 443


And the Apache error_log:
[2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice
at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at
../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
[Tue Sep 2 18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature end of
script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register

My authserv.conf :
###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service Configuration.
#
# Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per
# line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any
# line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to
# be a comment.
Verbosity 10
HomePage http://nocat.net/
DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs
# Passwd source
DataSource DBI
#DataSource Passwd
Database dbi:mysql:database=nocat
DB_User nocat
DB_Passwd hispasswd
#UserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd
#GroupUserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group
#GroupAdminFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm
UserTable member
UserIDField login
UserPasswdField pass
UserAuthField status
UserStampField created

GroupTable network
GroupIDField network
GroupAdminField admin
MinPasswdLength 6
# LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet
# (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname
# of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)
#
# LocalGateway 192.168.1.7
LoginForm login.html
LoginOKForm login_ok.html
FatalForm fatal.html
ExpiredForm expired.html
RenewForm renew.html
PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html
RegisterForm register.html
RegisterOKForm register_ok.html
RegisterFields Name URL Description
UpdateForm update.html
UpdateFields URL Description
###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.
#
LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's Network.
LoginMissing Please fill in all fields!
LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.
RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information to
register.Reg
isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is already taken.
Are
you already registered?
RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. Did you
spell
it correctly?
RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters long.
RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.
UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.
UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight characters long.
UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your account.
RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. Are you
already
registered?

MySql Version is Server version 3.23.41

Where is the problem ?

Thanks a lot.

Marcos Ambrosio


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<DIV>you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd according to </DIV>
<DIV>DB_User&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; nocat<BR>DB_Passwd&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hispasswd<BR></DIV>
<DIV>example: at the mysql prompt</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;GRANT SELECT, INSERT ON nocat.* To <A href="mailto:nocat@localhost">nocat@localhost</A> IDENTIFIED BY 'hispasswd';</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Try to search "Introduction to MySql" at google.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Augustine<BR><BR><B><I>Marcos Ambrosio &lt;mambrosio@prolan.com.br&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi all,<BR><BR>I am new to NoCat and have some problems with autentication with mysql.<BR><BR>I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same machine but on<BR>different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and /usr/local/nocat/gw.<BR><BR>With Passwd it&#24832; OK, but Dbi, I do not add user.<BR><BR>When I try register user I receive :<BR><BR>Internal Server Error<BR>The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable<BR>to complete your request.<BR>Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of<BR>the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have<BR>caused the error.<BR>More information about this error may be available in the server error log.<BR><BR>Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port 443<BR><BR><BR>And the Apache error_log:<BR>[2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified
 twice<BR>at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE>line 1.<BR>DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at<BR>../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE>line 1.<BR>[Tue Sep 2 18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature end of<BR>script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register<BR><BR>My authserv.conf :<BR>###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service Configuration.<BR>#<BR># Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per<BR># line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any<BR># line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to<BR># be a comment.<BR>Verbosity 10<BR>HomePage http://nocat.net/<BR>DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs<BR># Passwd source<BR>DataSource DBI<BR>#DataSource Passwd<BR>Database dbi:mysql:database=nocat<BR>DB_User nocat<BR>DB_Passwd hispasswd<BR>#UserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd<BR>#GroupUserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group<BR>#GroupAdminFile
 /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm<BR>UserTable member<BR>UserIDField login<BR>UserPasswdField pass<BR>UserAuthField status<BR>UserStampField created<BR><BR>GroupTable network<BR>GroupIDField network<BR>GroupAdminField admin<BR>MinPasswdLength 6<BR># LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet<BR># (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname<BR># of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)<BR>#<BR># LocalGateway 192.168.1.7<BR>LoginForm login.html<BR>LoginOKForm login_ok.html<BR>FatalForm fatal.html<BR>ExpiredForm expired.html<BR>RenewForm renew.html<BR>PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html<BR>RegisterForm register.html<BR>RegisterOKForm register_ok.html<BR>RegisterFields Name URL Description<BR>UpdateForm update.html<BR>UpdateFields URL Description<BR>###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.<BR>#<BR>LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's Network.<BR>LoginMissing Please fill in all
 fields!<BR>LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.<BR>LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.<BR>LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.<BR>RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information to<BR>register.Reg<BR>isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is already taken.<BR>Are<BR>you already registered?<BR>RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. Did you<BR>spell<BR>it correctly?<BR>RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters long.<BR>RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. Please try<BR>again.<BR>RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.<BR>UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.<BR>UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.<BR>UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.<BR>UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must
 be at least eight characters long.<BR>UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. Please try<BR>again.<BR>UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your account.<BR>RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. Are you<BR>already<BR>registered?<BR><BR>MySql Version is Server version 3.23.41<BR><BR>Where is the problem ?<BR><BR>Thanks a lot.<BR><BR>Marcos Ambrosio<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NoCatNet mailing list<BR>NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net<BR>http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet</BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>
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From doparsons at rev.net  Wed Sep  3 06:00:01 2003
From: doparsons at rev.net (Doug Parsons)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:00:01 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?
References: <20030903042759.94851.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005801c371d8$3b5f93e0$2f01a8c0@cablenetva.com>

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I had to learn the same thing. I used the mysql.com website tutorials.=20
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Adding_users.html

Doug Parsons
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jaz Strad=20
  To: Marcos Ambrosio ; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?


  you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd according =
to=20
  DB_User         nocat
  DB_Passwd       hispasswd

  example: at the mysql prompt
  >GRANT SELECT, INSERT ON nocat.* To nocat@localhost IDENTIFIED BY =
'hispasswd';

  Try to search "Introduction to MySql" at google.

  Augustine

  Marcos Ambrosio <mambrosio@prolan.com.br> wrote:
    Hi all,

    I am new to NoCat and have some problems with autentication with =
mysql.

    I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same machine but =
on
    different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and =
/usr/local/nocat/gw.

    With Passwd it=E6=84=80 OK, but Dbi, I do not add user.

    When I try register user I receive :

    Internal Server Error
    The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was =
unable
    to complete your request.
    Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform =
them of
    the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that =
may have
    caused the error.
    More information about this error may be available in the server =
error log.

    Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port 443


    And the Apache error_log:
    [2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' =
specified twice
    at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
    DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at
    ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
    [Tue Sep 2 18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature end =
of
    script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register

    My authserv.conf :
    ###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service =
Configuration.
    #
    # Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per
    # line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any
    # line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to
    # be a comment.
    Verbosity 10
    HomePage http://nocat.net/
    DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs
    # Passwd source
    DataSource DBI
    #DataSource Passwd
    Database dbi:mysql:database=3Dnocat
    DB_User nocat
    DB_Passwd hispasswd
    #UserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd
    #GroupUserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group
    #GroupAdminFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm
    UserTable member
    UserIDField login
    UserPasswdField pass
    UserAuthField status
    UserStampField created

    GroupTable network
    GroupIDField network
    GroupAdminField admin
    MinPasswdLength 6
    # LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet
    # (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname
    # of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)
    #
    # LocalGateway 192.168.1.7
    LoginForm login.html
    LoginOKForm login_ok.html
    FatalForm fatal.html
    ExpiredForm expired.html
    RenewForm renew.html
    PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html
    RegisterForm register.html
    RegisterOKForm register_ok.html
    RegisterFields Name URL Description
    UpdateForm update.html
    UpdateFields URL Description
    ###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.
    #
    LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's =
Network.
    LoginMissing Please fill in all fields!
    LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
    LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try =
again.
    LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.
    RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information to
    register.Reg
    isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is =
already taken.
    Are
    you already registered?
    RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. =
Did you
    spell
    it correctly?
    RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters =
long.
    RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. Please =
try
    again.
    RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.
    UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.
    UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
    UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try =
again.
    UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight characters =
long.
    UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. =
Please try
    again.
    UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your =
account.
    RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. Are =
you
    already
    registered?

    MySql Version is Server version 3.23.41

    Where is the problem ?

    Thanks a lot.

    Marcos Ambrosio


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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 03, =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd =
according to=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV>DB_User&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  nocat<BR>DB_Passwd&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
hispasswd<BR></DIV>
  <DIV>example: at the mysql prompt</DIV>
  <DIV>&gt;GRANT SELECT, INSERT ON nocat.* To <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:nocat@localhost">nocat@localhost</A> IDENTIFIED BY=20
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  <DIV>Try to search "Introduction to MySql" at google.</DIV>
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I></B>=20
  wrote:</DIV>
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solid">Hi=20
    all,<BR><BR>I am new to NoCat and have some problems with =
autentication with=20
    mysql.<BR><BR>I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same =
machine=20
    but on<BR>different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and=20
    /usr/local/nocat/gw.<BR><BR>With Passwd it=E6=84=80 OK, but Dbi, I =
do not add=20
    user.<BR><BR>When I try register user I receive :<BR><BR>Internal =
Server=20
    Error<BR>The server encountered an internal error or =
misconfiguration and=20
    was unable<BR>to complete your request.<BR>Please contact the server =

    administrator, root@localhost and inform them of<BR>the time the =
error=20
    occurred, and anything you might have done that may have<BR>caused =
the=20
    error.<BR>More information about this error may be available in the =
server=20
    error log.<BR><BR>Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port =
443<BR><BR><BR>And the=20
    Apache error_log:<BR>[2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: =
Column=20
    'url' specified twice<BR>at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, =
<FILE>line=20
    1.<BR>DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice=20
    at<BR>../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE>line 1.<BR>[Tue Sep =
2=20
    18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature end =
of<BR>script=20
    headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register<BR><BR>My =
authserv.conf=20
    :<BR>###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service=20
    Configuration.<BR>#<BR># Format of this file is: Directive Value, =
one=20
    per<BR># line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any<BR># =
line=20
    beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to<BR># be a=20
    comment.<BR>Verbosity 10<BR>HomePage =
http://nocat.net/<BR>DocumentRoot=20
    /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs<BR># Passwd source<BR>DataSource=20
    DBI<BR>#DataSource Passwd<BR>Database =
dbi:mysql:database=3Dnocat<BR>DB_User=20
    nocat<BR>DB_Passwd hispasswd<BR>#UserFile=20
    /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd<BR>#GroupUserFile=20
    /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group<BR>#GroupAdminFile=20
    /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm<BR>UserTable =
member<BR>UserIDField=20
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status<BR>UserStampField=20
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    fatal.html<BR>ExpiredForm expired.html<BR>RenewForm=20
    renew.html<BR>PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html<BR>RegisterForm=20
    register.html<BR>RegisterOKForm register_ok.html<BR>RegisterFields =
Name URL=20
    Description<BR>UpdateForm update.html<BR>UpdateFields URL=20
    Description<BR>###### Auth service user messages. Should be=20
    self.explanatory.<BR>#<BR>LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the =
Medical=20
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    fields!<BR>LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try=20
    again.<BR>LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please =
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information=20
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e.mail=20
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passwords=20
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From jduncanson at hotpop.com  Wed Sep  3 06:37:33 2003
From: jduncanson at hotpop.com (Jay Duncanson)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:37:33 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
In-Reply-To: <001c01c371aa$479a7630$1e082a0a@notebook>
Message-ID: <BB7ACC2D.B3BD%jduncanson@hotpop.com>

on 9/2/03 4:30 PM, Roger Weeks at rjw@sonic.net wrote:

> We've never identified who owns the "telecommute" ssid, but it is visible from
> large portions of the county, as is the ATGI essid.  Several of us believe
> that both of those have amplifiers on them well of at least 1 watt, maybe
> more.

Using that power, they may be licensed nodes (unless illegal). Wonder if
there's a simple way find the owner via an FCC inquiry?

> Most of the other ssid's in your list appear to be home users or businesses.

Except the infamous  SST-PR-1 "Sears Truck"/Secret Government Spy Node  :)

> Not sure how to read your table where it says "Max" but to
> NoCat-HollyRidge you
> show a number of 11.  Is that 11db of signal?

KisMac labels that column as "signal". I kind of doubt it's a calibrated db
level, but I don't know what the card outputs to the software, so maybe...

> What kind of radio card are you using?

The wireless card is a Netgate NL-2511CD PLUS EXT2, 200 mw with two external
antenna jacks. I use it with a TiBook 667 (which has an internal airport
card, not used in this instance). Scanning done with KisMac because its
drivers can speak to the Netgate card as opposed to the Airport card.
> 
> There are a few of us with 24db dishes and 200mw radio cards that would be
> available to come out your way and see what kind of signal we could get.

Yeah, that would be cool! Who should I connect with to discuss further?

Jay

_________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com




From jduncanson at hotpop.com  Wed Sep  3 06:46:10 2003
From: jduncanson at hotpop.com (Jay Duncanson)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:46:10 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
In-Reply-To: <20030902174847.B30100@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BB7ACE32.B3C2%jduncanson@hotpop.com>

on 9/2/03 5:48 PM, adam at adam@sonic.net wrote:

> Can you see into Guerneville?

No. Guerneville's only about 4-5 miles away in a straight line, but it's
tucked down behind a ridge. I can see the faint sky glow, but no structures.
_________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com




From jduncanson at hotpop.com  Wed Sep  3 06:46:20 2003
From: jduncanson at hotpop.com (Jay Duncanson)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:46:20 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030902173742.05376630@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BB7ACE3C.B3C2%jduncanson@hotpop.com>

on 9/2/03 5:38 PM, Matt Townsend at matt_townsend@earthlink.net wrote:

> Where on the topo map are you?

I've got the property bounded by the red lines on the topo map.
(http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/sweetwater_map.gif ) There's a cabin
near each peak. The main cabin (the one we live in) is near Peak #1,
although both peaks have somewhat different angles toward the valley, and
see some different nodes. If I could obtain access from either cabin, I'd
set up a wireless link to the other for full coverage.
> 
> Have you also looked at wscicc.org?

I hadn't. Thanks for the pointer. Looks more than fair.

_________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com




From adam at sonic.net  Wed Sep  3 07:22:57 2003
From: adam at sonic.net (adam)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:22:57 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
In-Reply-To: <BB7ACE32.B3C2%jduncanson@hotpop.com>
References: <20030902174847.B30100@sonic.net> <BB7ACE32.B3C2%jduncanson@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <20030902232257.A13161@sonic.net>

How about Korbel? I'm in Rio Nido. I've got cable, but it would be cool to get
something OTA.

--Adam

* Jay Duncanson <jduncanson@hotpop.com> [2003-09-02 22:46]:
> on 9/2/03 5:48 PM, adam at adam@sonic.net wrote:
> 
> > Can you see into Guerneville?
> 
> No. Guerneville's only about 4-5 miles away in a straight line, but it's
> tucked down behind a ridge. I can see the faint sky glow, but no structures.
> _________________________________
> Jay Duncanson
> jduncanson@hotpop.com
> 
> 


From Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br  Wed Sep  3 14:16:39 2003
From: Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br (Marcos Ambrosio)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:16:39 -0300
Subject: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?
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Thanks Doug ans Jaz,

   I think the problem not is in mysql, because I put this:

 mysql -u nocat --password=3Dhispasswd
 It=C2=B4s OK ... and put this:
 "INSERT INTO member (url, description, created, modified, status, =
login, pass, name) VALUES ('http://nocat', NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, =
'mambrosio@prolan.com.br', 'NCerEWe4b7Ncj7EU9tnonA', 'Marcos');"

I did the login, but when I tried to do new registration I received that =
error!
I tried http://172.27.2.90/cgi-bin/update and I did the update the =
passwd, but I change de url and didn=C2=B4t update it.

When I used Datasource Passwd I did new registration with files not =
mysql.=20

I don=C2=B4t know what to do and  I don=C2=B4t understant Perl !

Thanks a lots,

Marcos Ambrosio
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Doug Parsons=20
  To: Marcos Ambrosio ; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?


  I had to learn the same thing. I used the mysql.com website tutorials. =

  http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Adding_users.html

  Doug Parsons
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Jaz Strad=20
    To: Marcos Ambrosio ; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net=20
    Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:27 AM
    Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] =
NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&#24850;_work_?


    you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd according =
to=20
    DB_User         nocat
    DB_Passwd       hispasswd

    example: at the mysql prompt
    >GRANT SELECT, INSERT ON nocat.* To nocat@localhost IDENTIFIED BY =
'hispasswd';

    Try to search "Introduction to MySql" at google.

    Augustine

    Marcos Ambrosio <mambrosio@prolan.com.br> wrote:
      Hi all,

      I am new to NoCat and have some problems with autentication with =
mysql.

      I have installed both authserv and gateway on the same machine but =
on
      different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv and =
/usr/local/nocat/gw.

      With Passwd it=E6=84=80 OK, but Dbi, I do not add user.

      When I try register user I receive :

      Internal Server Error
      The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and =
was unable
      to complete your request.
      Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform =
them of
      the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that =
may have
      caused the error.
      More information about this error may be available in the server =
error log.

      Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port 443


      And the Apache error_log:
      [2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' =
specified twice
      at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
      DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at
      ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, line 1.
      [Tue Sep 2 18:07:03 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Premature =
end of
      script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register

      My authserv.conf :
      ###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service =
Configuration.
      #
      # Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per
      # line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any
      # line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to
      # be a comment.
      Verbosity 10
      HomePage http://nocat.net/
      DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs
      # Passwd source
      DataSource DBI
      #DataSource Passwd
      Database dbi:mysql:database=3Dnocat
      DB_User nocat
      DB_Passwd hispasswd
      #UserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd
      #GroupUserFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group
      #GroupAdminFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm
      UserTable member
      UserIDField login
      UserPasswdField pass
      UserAuthField status
      UserStampField created

      GroupTable network
      GroupIDField network
      GroupAdminField admin
      MinPasswdLength 6
      # LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet
      # (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname
      # of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)
      #
      # LocalGateway 192.168.1.7
      LoginForm login.html
      LoginOKForm login_ok.html
      FatalForm fatal.html
      ExpiredForm expired.html
      RenewForm renew.html
      PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html
      RegisterForm register.html
      RegisterOKForm register_ok.html
      RegisterFields Name URL Description
      UpdateForm update.html
      UpdateFields URL Description
      ###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.
      #
      LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's =
Network.
      LoginMissing Please fill in all fields!
      LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
      LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try =
again.
      LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.
      RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information =
to
      register.Reg
      isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is =
already taken.
      Are
      you already registered?
      RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. =
Did you
      spell
      it correctly?
      RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters =
long.
      RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. =
Please try
      again.
      RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.
      UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.
      UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
      UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try =
again.
      UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight characters =
long.
      UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. =
Please try
      again.
      UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your =
account.
      RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. =
Are you
      already
      registered?

      MySql Version is Server version 3.23.41

      Where is the problem ?

      Thanks a lot.

      Marcos Ambrosio


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Doug ans Jaz,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I think the problem not is =
in mysql,=20
because I put this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;mysql -u nocat=20
--password=3Dhispasswd</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;It=C2=B4s OK ... and put =
this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;"INSERT INTO member (url, =
description,=20
created, modified, status, login, pass, name) VALUES ('http://nocat', =
NULL,=20
NULL, NULL, NULL, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:'mambrosio@prolan.com.br'">'mambrosio@prolan.com.br'</A>, =

'NCerEWe4b7Ncj7EU9tnonA', 'Marcos');"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did the login, but when I tried to do =
new=20
registration I received that error!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried <A=20
href=3D"http://172.27.2.90/cgi-bin/update">http://172.27.2.90/cgi-bin/upd=
ate</A>=20
and I did the update the passwd, but I change de url and didn=C2=B4t =
update=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I used Datasource Passwd I did new =

registration with files not mysql. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don=C2=B4t know what to do and&nbsp; =
I don=C2=B4t=20
understant Perl !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks a lots,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marcos Ambrosio</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddoparsons@rev.net href=3D"mailto:doparsons@rev.net">Doug =
Parsons</A>=20
  </DIV>
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  title=3Dnocatnet@lists.nocat.net=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NoCatNet]=20
  NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&amp;#24850;_work_?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had to learn the same thing. I used =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug Parsons</FONT></DIV>
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title=3Dmambrosio@prolan.com.br=20
    href=3D"mailto:mambrosio@prolan.com.br">Marcos Ambrosio</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Dnocatnet@lists.nocat.net=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:nocatnet@lists.nocat.net">nocatnet@lists.nocat.net</A> =
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September =
03, 2003=20
    12:27 AM</DIV>
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    NoCatAuth0.82_with_MySql_Doesn&amp;#24850;_work_?</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>you need to configure mysql server with proper user/passwd =
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    </DIV>
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    href=3D"mailto:nocat@localhost">nocat@localhost</A> IDENTIFIED BY=20
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    =
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2px solid">Hi=20
      all,<BR><BR>I am new to NoCat and have some problems with =
autentication=20
      with mysql.<BR><BR>I have installed both authserv and gateway on =
the same=20
      machine but on<BR>different directories, /usr/local/nocat/authserv =
and=20
      /usr/local/nocat/gw.<BR><BR>With Passwd it=E6=84=80 OK, but Dbi, I =
do not add=20
      user.<BR><BR>When I try register user I receive :<BR><BR>Internal =
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      Error<BR>The server encountered an internal error or =
misconfiguration and=20
      was unable<BR>to complete your request.<BR>Please contact the =
server=20
      administrator, root@localhost and inform them of<BR>the time the =
error=20
      occurred, and anything you might have done that may have<BR>caused =
the=20
      error.<BR>More information about this error may be available in =
the server=20
      error log.<BR><BR>Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport Port =
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      the Apache error_log:<BR>[2003-09-02 18:07:03] DBD::mysql::db do =
failed:=20
      Column 'url' specified twice<BR>at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line =
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      authserv.conf :<BR>###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth =
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      line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to<BR># be =
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      comment.<BR>Verbosity 10<BR>HomePage =
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      /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs<BR># Passwd source<BR>DataSource=20
      DBI<BR>#DataSource Passwd<BR>Database =
dbi:mysql:database=3Dnocat<BR>DB_User=20
      nocat<BR>DB_Passwd hispasswd<BR>#UserFile=20
      /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd<BR>#GroupUserFile=20
      /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group<BR>#GroupAdminFile=20
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      login<BR>UserPasswdField pass<BR>UserAuthField =
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      created<BR><BR>GroupTable network<BR>GroupIDField=20
      network<BR>GroupAdminField admin<BR>MinPasswdLength 6<BR># =
LocalGateway ..=20
      If you run auth service on the same subnet<BR># (or host) as the =
gateway=20
      you need to specify the hostname<BR># of the gateway. Otherwise =
omit it.=20
      (Requires Net::Netmask)<BR>#<BR># LocalGateway =
192.168.1.7<BR>LoginForm=20
      login.html<BR>LoginOKForm login_ok.html<BR>FatalForm=20
      fatal.html<BR>ExpiredForm expired.html<BR>RenewForm=20
      renew.html<BR>PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html<BR>RegisterForm=20
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      self.explanatory.<BR>#<BR>LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the =
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      fields!<BR>LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try =

      again.<BR>LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. =
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      again.<BR>LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op=20
      member.<BR>RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following=20
      information to<BR>register.Reg<BR>isterMissing RegisterUserExists =
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      that e.mail address is already taken.<BR>Are<BR>you already=20
      registered?<BR>RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears =
to be=20
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      passwords must be at least six characters =
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      passwords you provided do not match. Please=20
      try<BR>again.<BR>RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have =
successfully=20
      registered.<BR>UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to =
update=20
      your info.<BR>UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please =
try=20
      again.<BR>UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. =
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      again.<BR>UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight=20
      characters long.<BR>UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you =
provided do=20
      not match. Please try<BR>again.<BR>UpdateSuccess Congratulations, =
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From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep  3 14:52:26 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:52:26 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...
References: <BB7ACE3C.B3C2%jduncanson@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <002501c37222$9bdc0c90$1e082a0a@notebook>

Of course, my first question looking at the topo map is "Who owns the 'radio
facility' on top of Mount Jackson?  ;)

Jay, Matt has a 24db dish and probably more spare time than I do right now, so
he may be your best bet to do a signal test.  I don't know how many more db gain
you'll get from his dish than a homemade cantenna, but it's worth a try.

Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Duncanson" <jduncanson@hotpop.com>
To: "Matt Townsend" <matt_townsend@earthlink.net>; <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] Seeking access from a high ridgetop...


| on 9/2/03 5:38 PM, Matt Townsend at matt_townsend@earthlink.net wrote:
|
| > Where on the topo map are you?
|
| I've got the property bounded by the red lines on the topo map.
| (http://home.jps.net/~jduncanson/wifi/sweetwater_map.gif ) There's a cabin
| near each peak. The main cabin (the one we live in) is near Peak #1,
| although both peaks have somewhat different angles toward the valley, and
| see some different nodes. If I could obtain access from either cabin, I'd
| set up a wireless link to the other for full coverage.
| >
| > Have you also looked at wscicc.org?
|
| I hadn't. Thanks for the pointer. Looks more than fair.
|
| _________________________________
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| jduncanson@hotpop.com
|
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From dave at goldmountain.com  Wed Sep  3 17:16:10 2003
From: dave at goldmountain.com (Dave Chapman)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:16:10 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Mt. Jackson
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20030903091610.014ad3e0@mail.monitor.net>

>
>
>Of course, my first question looking at the topo map is "Who owns the 'radio
>facility' on top of Mount Jackson?  ;)
>
>Jay, Matt has a 24db dish and probably more spare time than I do right
now, so
>he may be your best bet to do a signal test.  I don't know how many more
db gain
>you'll get from his dish than a homemade cantenna, but it's worth a try.
>
>Roger
>
>


Mostly, it is owned by Sonoma County, but they rent space
to a variety of radio operators.

There is currently an 802.11 (with MAC filtering) on top,
with a "pancake" omni antenna.

-dave


=========================================================



From jduncanson at hotpop.com  Wed Sep  3 21:07:30 2003
From: jduncanson at hotpop.com (Jay Duncanson)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:07:30 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Mt. Jackson/Seeking access from a ridgetop
In-Reply-To: <20030902232257.A13161@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BB7B9812.B3EF%jduncanson@hotpop.com>

--- adam at adam@sonic.net wrote:

> How about Korbel? I'm in Rio Nido. I've got cable, but it would be cool to get
> something OTA.

>From my location, Rio Nido is even more tucked in than Guerneville. Mt.
Jackson is directly between me and Korbel and Rio Nido.

--- and Dave Chapman at dave@goldmountain.com wrote:
> 
> Mostly, Mt. Jackson is owned by Sonoma County, but they rent space
> to a variety of radio operators.
> 
> There is currently an 802.11 (with MAC filtering) on top,
> with a "pancake" omni antenna.

Wonder who that is?

Mt. Jackson, being the highest peak in the area, has coverage that can't be
duplicated. It would definitely be a great 802.11 site for NoCat or other
community access groups.

I wonder if Sonoma County would be open to a pitch from NoCat to "donate"
antenna space, on the basis of offering high speed internet access to rural
users who couldn't otherwise obtain it.

________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com




From twarfield at tnt-ok.com  Wed Sep  3 21:41:56 2003
From: twarfield at tnt-ok.com (Tom Warfield)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:41:56 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Mt. Jackson/Seeking access from a ridgetop
In-Reply-To: <BB7B9812.B3EF%jduncanson@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <LGEJLNPEDDPMCANOKEPDCEJPCJAA.twarfield@tnt-ok.com>

I suggest you throw in the pitch of something you can do for the county.

Lets say they have an office on the other side of the Mt. or something.
Well you could maybe set them up with a direct private and secure link from
one office to another.  Hence saving them money from their internet charges
they are paying, also saving the added cost of having to pay for another
telco line.

Anyways, I have found in dealing with municipalities (not counties but hey)
if you show them how they are saving money and how you are doing something
for them (they give a rats ass about anyone who lives in the county- trust
me!) then that just might work for your pitch.  Another good way of getting
into the door is knowing someone who is elected and helps run the county.

Just some learning notes of what I have been working on, and what I have
noticed when using something owned by city/county.

But honestly though, I highly doubt the county owns that mountain.  Call the
county and find out who the land owner is.  If the land owner already has
something up on the hill, ie tower, then you are screwed because they will
want tons of money to put anything up there.  Good luck getting on the tower
also, most tower companies charge an arm and a leg.

Oh and by the way, wireless equipment works great using solar equipment.
For notes on that you might want to checkout the SDSU wireless network they
have setup.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Jay Duncanson
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:08 PM
To: adam; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] Mt. Jackson/Seeking access from a ridgetop


--- adam at adam@sonic.net wrote:

> How about Korbel? I'm in Rio Nido. I've got cable, but it would be cool to
get
> something OTA.

>From my location, Rio Nido is even more tucked in than Guerneville. Mt.
Jackson is directly between me and Korbel and Rio Nido.

--- and Dave Chapman at dave@goldmountain.com wrote:
>
> Mostly, Mt. Jackson is owned by Sonoma County, but they rent space
> to a variety of radio operators.
>
> There is currently an 802.11 (with MAC filtering) on top,
> with a "pancake" omni antenna.

Wonder who that is?

Mt. Jackson, being the highest peak in the area, has coverage that can't be
duplicated. It would definitely be a great 802.11 site for NoCat or other
community access groups.

I wonder if Sonoma County would be open to a pitch from NoCat to "donate"
antenna space, on the basis of offering high speed internet access to rural
users who couldn't otherwise obtain it.

________________________________
Jay Duncanson
jduncanson@hotpop.com



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From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep  4 17:26:15 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:26:15 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
Message-ID: <000701c37301$452e9c70$1e082a0a@notebook>

Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a dump run,
and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.

Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?

I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?

Roger



From g-gunsalus at mindspring.com  Thu Sep  4 17:43:22 2003
From: g-gunsalus at mindspring.com (Glen Gunsalus)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:43:22 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
Message-ID: <3F576BAA.5090102@mindspring.com>


Roger,

One of the NoCat meetings someone brought in one with a bi-quad feed
(similar to the one's Curt made for the 802.11a cards).

Look here: http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm


 >>> "Roger Weeks" said:
  > Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a 
dump run
   >,
  > and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.
  >
  > Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?
  >
  > I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?
  >
  > Roger
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > NoCatNet mailing list
  > NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
  > http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet





From rob at nocat.net  Thu Sep  4 19:54:36 2003
From: rob at nocat.net (Rob Flickenger)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:54:36 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
In-Reply-To: <3F576BAA.5090102@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3AA3806A-DF09-11D7-8F08-000393843BC2@nocat.net>

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 09:43  AM, Glen Gunsalus wrote:

> One of the NoCat meetings someone brought in one with a bi-quad feed
> (similar to the one's Curt made for the 802.11a cards).
>
> Look here: http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm

Here's another one with a waveguide can feed:

http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html

Lower gain, easier to make.

--Rob

> >>> "Roger Weeks" said:
>  > Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a 
> dump run
>   >,
>  > and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.
>  >
>  > Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?
>  >
>  > I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?
>  >
>  > Roger
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > NoCatNet mailing list
>  > NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
>  > http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
>
>
>
>
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> NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
>



From steve at chalem.com  Fri Sep  5 00:00:22 2003
From: steve at chalem.com (Steven Chalem)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:00:22 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Article about Rob's Book, etc.
Message-ID: <87ABD23740E50B46A15C813F6677341710B2AC@bosko.i9host.com>

The feedback alone is worth the visit:

http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2914596,00.html


From matt_townsend at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  5 01:47:34 2003
From: matt_townsend at earthlink.net (Matt Townsend)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:47:34 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
In-Reply-To: <3AA3806A-DF09-11D7-8F08-000393843BC2@nocat.net>
References: <3F576BAA.5090102@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030904174323.055b3428@mail.earthlink.net>

I found the round Primestar and the DirectTV dish to yield just as much 
performance at 1.3 the size and weight.

Note at the web site the extreme down-point of the mounting. You really 
need to stand it away from the mount pole to get it directed properly. 
I  also found that front-back tuning of the element is important; hence why 
I used a hose clamp instead of a nut/bolt.

I have another oval dish, DirecPC, if you want a second one.

Matt


At 11:54 AM 9/4/2003 -0700, Rob Flickenger wrote:

>On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 09:43  AM, Glen Gunsalus wrote:
>
>>One of the NoCat meetings someone brought in one with a bi-quad feed
>>(similar to the one's Curt made for the 802.11a cards).
>>
>>Look here: http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm
>
>Here's another one with a waveguide can feed:
>
>http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html
>
>Lower gain, easier to make.
>
>--Rob
>
>> >>> "Roger Weeks" said:
>>  > Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a 
>> dump run
>>   >,
>>  > and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.
>>  >
>>  > Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?
>>  >
>>  > I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?
>>  >
>>  > Roger
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
>>  > NoCatNet mailing list
>>  > NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
>>  > http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NoCatNet mailing list
>>NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
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>
>
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From ssiggins at sonic.net  Fri Sep  5 23:00:06 2003
From: ssiggins at sonic.net (Sam Siggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:00:06 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
Message-ID: <LPBBJCFKAGEPNNPCBLKFGEFHCGAA.ssiggins@sonic.net>

A question.

Do WAP11's and similar sorts of devices with two antennae actually do
diversity? If so, is it possible to replace the omnis with directional
antennas pointed in two different directions? The object is not to have a
repeater but to have an AP that lights up two zones.

Possible?

SS





From rob at nocat.net  Fri Sep  5 23:16:20 2003
From: rob at nocat.net (Rob Flickenger)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:16:20 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
In-Reply-To: <LPBBJCFKAGEPNNPCBLKFGEFHCGAA.ssiggins@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <940045E6-DFEE-11D7-921F-000393843BC2@nocat.net>

On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 03:00  PM, Sam Siggins wrote:

> Do WAP11's and similar sorts of devices with two antennae actually do
> diversity?

Most use diversity on receive, but only transmit on one antenna.  And 
even the APs and cards that do transmit on both (Cisco, for example) 
aren't designed for what you're thinking.  It sort of works, but leads 
to nasty performance problems.

Add another AP.  They're certainly cheap enough.  =)

--Rob



From ssiggins at sonic.net  Fri Sep  5 23:35:47 2003
From: ssiggins at sonic.net (Sam Siggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:35:47 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
In-Reply-To: <LGEJLNPEDDPMCANOKEPDEEMECJAA.twarfield@tnt-ok.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBJCFKAGEPNNPCBLKFKEFICGAA.ssiggins@sonic.net>

Actually it would be the same channel. The two areas are 180 degrees apart
and on two different ends of the same building (the gable ends).

But if, as Rob says, diversity only applies to receive and they transmit on
only one of the antennas then that would be a deal killer. But how does it
know which one to transmit on? What if there is a client wanting to
associate on both? Would that confuse the poor dumb thing?

Rob is quite right that adding another AP is cheap enough these days. Brand
new WAP11s can indeed be had from mail order for $63. (People are paying
that and more for used ones on ebay.)

SS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Warfield [mailto:twarfield@tnt-ok.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:14 PM
> To: ssiggins@sonic.net
> Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
>
>
> Are you trying to light up two different areas, or as you call
> zones, using
> the same channels???
>
> Or are you looking to use two different channels?
>
> I don't see how it would work with two different channels since you would
> need two radios, transmitting on two different channels.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Sam Siggins
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:00 PM
> To: Nocat Community Net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
>
>
> A question.
>
> Do WAP11's and similar sorts of devices with two antennae actually do
> diversity? If so, is it possible to replace the omnis with directional
> antennas pointed in two different directions? The object is not to have a
> repeater but to have an AP that lights up two zones.
>
> Possible?
>
> SS
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
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>




From cahelstrom at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:59:38 2003
From: cahelstrom at hotmail.com (Curt Helstrom)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:59:38 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
Message-ID: <Law9-F103Dll7fnp3eE0002dc21@hotmail.com>

I can't speak for the WAP11, but a D-Link 900AP+ that I have had one
antenna external and one antenna internal.  The internal antenna was
the only one with Transmit power applied.

The only way I know of to tell for sure is to put a power meter on
each port.  In the case of the 900AP, through software you could
select one or the other or diversity, but it applied ONLY to receive
(no documentation anywhere said this, and even their tech support
didn't understand this - sent two perfectly good units back for
repair before I figured out what was going on).

I have an analog power meter (not the best to measuring this kind
of thing, but it will give relative power levels between antenna ports)
if you want to do some measuring.

Curt



>From: "Sam Siggins" <ssiggins@sonic.net>
>Reply-To: <ssiggins@sonic.net>
>To: "Nocat Community Net" <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
>Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:35:47 -0700
>
>Actually it would be the same channel. The two areas are 180 degrees apart
>and on two different ends of the same building (the gable ends).
>
>But if, as Rob says, diversity only applies to receive and they transmit on
>only one of the antennas then that would be a deal killer. But how does it
>know which one to transmit on? What if there is a client wanting to
>associate on both? Would that confuse the poor dumb thing?
>
>Rob is quite right that adding another AP is cheap enough these days. Brand
>new WAP11s can indeed be had from mail order for $63. (People are paying
>that and more for used ones on ebay.)
>
>SS
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Warfield [mailto:twarfield@tnt-ok.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: ssiggins@sonic.net
> > Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to light up two different areas, or as you call
> > zones, using
> > the same channels???
> >
> > Or are you looking to use two different channels?
> >
> > I don't see how it would work with two different channels since you 
>would
> > need two radios, transmitting on two different channels.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> > [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Sam Siggins
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:00 PM
> > To: Nocat Community Net
> > Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
> >
> >
> > A question.
> >
> > Do WAP11's and similar sorts of devices with two antennae actually do
> > diversity? If so, is it possible to replace the omnis with directional
> > antennas pointed in two different directions? The object is not to have 
>a
> > repeater but to have an AP that lights up two zones.
> >
> > Possible?
> >
> > SS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NoCatNet mailing list
> > NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
> > http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From mibz at optushome.com.au  Sat Sep  6 10:07:23 2003
From: mibz at optushome.com.au (rick)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:07:23 +1000
Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
References: <LPBBJCFKAGEPNNPCBLKFKEFICGAA.ssiggins@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <001201c37456$4a9b7f60$9901a8c0@macross>

just get 2 ap's call them ap1 and ap2, people will associate to the ap with
the higher strength anyway

a single ap with diversity cant do what you want it to do, what it will do
is keep the antenna on that has the best link and the other antenna wont
transmit the becon packet and who ever is connected to it will be droped off
the link

just get 2 ap's its alot simpler

sorry about the spelling
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sam Siggins" <ssiggins@sonic.net>
To: "Nocat Community Net" <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs


> Actually it would be the same channel. The two areas are 180 degrees apart
> and on two different ends of the same building (the gable ends).
>
> But if, as Rob says, diversity only applies to receive and they transmit
on
> only one of the antennas then that would be a deal killer. But how does it
> know which one to transmit on? What if there is a client wanting to
> associate on both? Would that confuse the poor dumb thing?
>
> Rob is quite right that adding another AP is cheap enough these days.
Brand
> new WAP11s can indeed be had from mail order for $63. (People are paying
> that and more for used ones on ebay.)
>
> SS
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Warfield [mailto:twarfield@tnt-ok.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: ssiggins@sonic.net
> > Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to light up two different areas, or as you call
> > zones, using
> > the same channels???
> >
> > Or are you looking to use two different channels?
> >
> > I don't see how it would work with two different channels since you
would
> > need two radios, transmitting on two different channels.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> > [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Sam Siggins
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:00 PM
> > To: Nocat Community Net
> > Subject: [NoCatNet] Diversity on Linksys Type APs
> >
> >
> > A question.
> >
> > Do WAP11's and similar sorts of devices with two antennae actually do
> > diversity? If so, is it possible to replace the omnis with directional
> > antennas pointed in two different directions? The object is not to have
a
> > repeater but to have an AP that lights up two zones.
> >
> > Possible?
> >
> > SS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NoCatNet mailing list
> > NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
> > http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From chris_stewart at agilent.com  Mon Sep  8 17:12:31 2003
From: chris_stewart at agilent.com (chris_stewart@agilent.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:12:31 -0600
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
Message-ID: <0DB7B6E06277D311B797009027AA5B4A154E0F2A@axcs01.cos.agilent.com>

Roger,

Check out Matt's design. 

http://www.wscicc.org/DishCantenna.htm

I made one of these with a slightly different can and measured greater than 20 dB of gain.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:26 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish


Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a dump run,
and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.

Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?

I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?

Roger


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From chris_stewart at agilent.com  Mon Sep  8 18:28:35 2003
From: chris_stewart at agilent.com (chris_stewart@agilent.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:28:35 -0600
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish
Message-ID: <0DB7B6E06277D311B797009027AA5B4A154E0F2C@axcs01.cos.agilent.com>

Roger,

The bi-quad feed on an 802.11a link would be a great solution. Sounds like you have the right person working on the design. Curt will be able to get you fixed up and working well. The dish should work great at 5 GHz. 

If you are interested in the 2.4 design, here are some details:

I found a can of Pirouette cookies at Trader Joes for $1.99. I based the design on this website:

http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/CookieCantenna

this website gives a great calculator for different can sizes:

http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html

The design mounted to the direct TV dish gave > 20 dB of gain and less than 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 2.45 GHz.

Cheers,

Chris




-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:49 AM
To: chris_stewart@agilent.com
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish


Yeah.  I don't have a can, though, but I do have two bi-quad 5ghz antennas.
I'm hoping to use them for 802.11a, we'll see how well that works.  Curt
Helstrom built the bi-quads, and he's going to help me get one mounted on
the primestar dish, and another on a directv dish.  It sounds like the
dishes will be even better at 5ghz than 2.4.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: chris_stewart@agilent.com [mailto:chris_stewart@agilent.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:13 AM
To: rjw@sonic.net; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish


Roger,

Check out Matt's design. 

http://www.wscicc.org/DishCantenna.htm

I made one of these with a slightly different can and measured greater than
20 dB of gain.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:26 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Primestar dish


Last weekend I was helping clear out a friend's garage and making a dump
run, and I snagged an old Primestar satellite dish.

Wasn't there some hack to turn these into 802.11b antennas?

I'm wondering if it would work for 802.11a as well.  Anyone?

Roger


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From Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br  Tue Sep  9 22:01:07 2003
From: Marcos Ambrosio" <mambrosio at prolan.com.br (Marcos Ambrosio)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:01:07 -0300
Subject: [NoCatNet] Problem for create new user
Message-ID: <001a01c37715$7d840b10$6d021bac@prolan.com.br>

When I tried to register new user by http I received this error :

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Apache/1.3.20 Server at cport.prolan.com.br Port 443

Apache log :

[root@cport logs]# tail -f error_log
[2003-09-09 18:54:22] User UNKNOWN from 172.27.2.109 requests form
[2003-09-09 18:54:59] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice
at ../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE> line 1.
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Column 'url' specified twice at
../lib/NoCat/Source/DBI.pm line 52, <FILE> line 1.
[Tue Sep  9 18:54:59 2003] [error] [client 172.27.2.109] Premature end of
script headers: /usr/local/nocat/authserv/cgi-bin/register


But If I tried by admintool and I created new user, and I get login normal.

I unknow perl, Iīd like to know what happen.


Thanks a lot...

Marcos



###### authserv.conf .. NoCatAuth Authentication Service Configuration.
#
# Format of this file is: Directive Value, one per
# line. Trailing and leading whitespace is ignored. Any
# line beginning with a punctuation character is assumed to
# be a comment.
Verbosity 10
HomePage http://nocat.net/
DocumentRoot /usr/local/nocat/authserv/htdocs
# Passwd source
 DataSource     DBI
#DataSource     Passwd
Database        dbi:mysql:database=nocat
DB_User         nocat
DB_Passwd       hispasswd
#UserFile       /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/passwd
#GroupUserFile  /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/group
#GroupAdminFile /usr/local/nocat/authserv/etc/groupadm
UserTable       member
UserIDField     login
UserPasswdField pass
UserAuthField   status
UserStampField  created
GroupTable      network
GroupIDField    network
GroupAdminField admin
MinPasswdLength 6
# LocalGateway .. If you run auth service on the same subnet
# (or host) as the gateway you need to specify the hostname
# of the gateway. Otherwise omit it. (Requires Net::Netmask)
#
# LocalGateway 192.168.1.7
LoginForm login.html
LoginOKForm login_ok.html
FatalForm fatal.html
ExpiredForm expired.html
RenewForm renew.html
PassiveRenewForm renew_pasv.html
RegisterForm register.html
RegisterOKForm register_ok.html
RegisterFields Name URL Description
UpdateForm update.html
UpdateFields URL Description
###### Auth service user messages. Should be self.explanatory.
#
LoginGreeting Greetings! Welcome to the Medical University of SC's Network.
LoginMissing Please fill in all fields!
LoginBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
LoginBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
LoginBadStatus Sorry, you are not a registered co.op member.
RegisterGreeting Welcome! Please enter the following information to
register.Reg
isterMissing RegisterUserExists Sorry, that e.mail address is already taken.
Are
 you already registered?
RegisterBadUser The e.mail address provided appears to be invalid. Did you
spell
 it correctly?
RegisterInvalidPass All passwords must be at least six characters long.
RegisterPassNoMatch The passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
RegisterSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully registered.
UpdateGreeting Enter your E.mail and password to update your info.
UpdateBadUser That e.mail address is unknown. Please try again.
UpdateBadPass That e.mail and password do not match. Please try again.
UpdateInvalidPass New passwords must be at least eight characters long.
UpdatePassNoMatch The new passwords you provided do not match. Please try
again.
UpdateSuccess Congratulations, you have successfully updated your account.
RegisterUserExists  Sorry, that e-mail address is already taken. Are you
already registered?



From cahelstrom at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 10 04:48:25 2003
From: cahelstrom at hotmail.com (Curt Helstrom)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:48:25 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility
Message-ID: <Law9-F83ZghyitDnYWP0000380d@hotmail.com>

Here is a free wireless utility, something like Netstumbler, but
supporting more hardware.  Two versions, one for PC and
one for handheld.

Curt


Free Utility Makes Wireless Connections a Snap

Did you ever have trouble connecting to a wireless network
that you just knew was there? Did you ever wonder exactly
how strong your wireless signal was around the house? Or
maybe you were looking for a good wireless client for
Microsoft's Pocket PC. Well if you use 802.11, you
absolutely MUST download a free utility we're offering
starting today. Called WiNC, from Cirond, it does an even
better job managing wireless connections than Windows XP's
own manager. It's an easy to use version of Net Stumbler,
and it'll allow you to easily find, connect and debug
wireless links. But hurry and download it today, because
it'll only be available for two weeks.

Free 802.11 Utility You Can't Live Without:
http://eletters.wnn.ziffdavis.com/zd/cts?d=75-57-1-1-282944-2497-1

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From bmcdowell at coxhealthplans.com  Wed Sep 10 14:31:32 2003
From: bmcdowell at coxhealthplans.com (bmcdowell@coxhealthplans.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:31:32 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility
Message-ID: <7A3B4AA360FDEF448F3390421FC8D731DB0698@coxhpexg.coxhp.com>

Not free (for more than thirty days).  $20

http://www.cirond.com/site/products/soho.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48 PM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net; twg@nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility


Here is a free wireless utility, something like Netstumbler, but
supporting more hardware.  Two versions, one for PC and
one for handheld.

Curt


Free Utility Makes Wireless Connections a Snap

Did you ever have trouble connecting to a wireless network
that you just knew was there? Did you ever wonder exactly
how strong your wireless signal was around the house? Or
maybe you were looking for a good wireless client for
Microsoft's Pocket PC. Well if you use 802.11, you
absolutely MUST download a free utility we're offering
starting today. Called WiNC, from Cirond, it does an even
better job managing wireless connections than Windows XP's
own manager. It's an easy to use version of Net Stumbler,
and it'll allow you to easily find, connect and debug
wireless links. But hurry and download it today, because
it'll only be available for two weeks.

Free 802.11 Utility You Can't Live Without:
http://eletters.wnn.ziffdavis.com/zd/cts?d=3D75-57-1-1-282944-2497-1

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From dave at goldmountain.com  Wed Sep 10 15:55:02 2003
From: dave at goldmountain.com (Dave Chapman)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:55:02 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Meeting Tonight?
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20030910075502.013700e0@mail.monitor.net>

Is there a meeting tonight??

-dave



=========================================================



From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep 10 16:03:23 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:03:23 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Meeting Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20030910075502.013700e0@mail.monitor.net>
Message-ID: <000001c377ac$b0518a80$1e082a0a@notebook>

I asked all of the usual suspects and didn't receive an answer.  =
Schuyler,
do we have the room available tonight?

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:55 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Meeting Tonight?


Is there a meeting tonight??

-dave



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From schuyler at oreilly.com  Wed Sep 10 17:44:46 2003
From: schuyler at oreilly.com (Schuyler Erle)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Meeting Tonight?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20030910075502.013700e0@mail.monitor.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309100944110.14075-100000@magic.oreillynet.com>

Well, the meeting room's been reserved, so why not. Meeting tonight, 6:30
pm, same place as always. Directions are on the website.

SDE

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Dave Chapman wrote:

> Is there a meeting tonight??
> 
> -dave
> 
> 
> 
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From junkmail at bret-net.net  Thu Sep 11 16:28:50 2003
From: junkmail at bret-net.net (Junk Mail)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:28:50 -0600
Subject: [NoCatNet] Managing Users and Groups within NoCatAuth
Message-ID: <99CFE2362656C049A1390FE600CB52BB12BF41@enterprise.bret-net.int>

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From junkmail at bret-net.net  Thu Sep 11 16:45:58 2003
From: junkmail at bret-net.net (JunkMail)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:45:58 -0600
Subject: [NoCatNet] Managing Users and Groups within NoCatAuth
Message-ID: <003f01c3787b$cbbbf830$15a4849d@denver.usap.gov>

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All,
   I am creating a NoCat Authentication and Gateway server.  I have them =
working properly (can create new accounts and login with them).  I would =
like to try traffic-shaping on the Gateway, but I do not know how to =
control the Group Membership each User Account belongs.  Can anybody =
please share with me how to control the Group Membership of User =
Accounts?
   Also, is there a way to create different/custom classes of service =
other than the default "Priority", "Co-op member", and "Public" classes =
of service?
=20
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From richard.peters at checkyoursix.com  Thu Sep 11 17:55:59 2003
From: richard.peters at checkyoursix.com (Richard Peters)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:55:59 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility
In-Reply-To: <7A3B4AA360FDEF448F3390421FC8D731DB0698@coxhpexg.coxhp.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c37885$945fddc0$693088d8@foxfire>

PC Magazine has their utility for free if you sign up on their list...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1258801,00.asp

Seems to work pretty well on my Tablet at least, haven't had it very
long.

Regards,

-Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net] On Behalf Of
bmcdowell@coxhealthplans.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:32 AM
To: cahelstrom@hotmail.com; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net; twg@nocat.net
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility


Not free (for more than thirty days).  $20

http://www.cirond.com/site/products/soho.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48 PM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net; twg@nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Free Wireless Utility


Here is a free wireless utility, something like Netstumbler, but
supporting more hardware.  Two versions, one for PC and
one for handheld.

Curt


Free Utility Makes Wireless Connections a Snap

Did you ever have trouble connecting to a wireless network
that you just knew was there? Did you ever wonder exactly
how strong your wireless signal was around the house? Or
maybe you were looking for a good wireless client for
Microsoft's Pocket PC. Well if you use 802.11, you
absolutely MUST download a free utility we're offering
starting today. Called WiNC, from Cirond, it does an even
better job managing wireless connections than Windows XP's
own manager. It's an easy to use version of Net Stumbler,
and it'll allow you to easily find, connect and debug
wireless links. But hurry and download it today, because
it'll only be available for two weeks.

Free 802.11 Utility You Can't Live Without:
http://eletters.wnn.ziffdavis.com/zd/cts?d=75-57-1-1-282944-2497-1

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From rimas at cnmat.berkeley.edu  Thu Sep 11 18:07:59 2003
From: rimas at cnmat.berkeley.edu (rimas)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:07:59 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] pogowave ?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030911100233.01b55680@cnmat.berkeley.edu>

greetings,

i recently moved to the sebastopol area (kennedy road) and have been 
exploring my high speed internet options (DSL and high speed cable don't 
seem to be happening).

i just got something in my mailbox from these folks:

http://www.pogowave.com/

anyone have any experience dealing with them ?  i am going to try and 
schedule a free site survey and see what they say

-rimas



From max at theslimmers.net  Thu Sep 11 20:44:54 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:44:54 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] pogowave ?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030911100233.01b55680@cnmat.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMAENFEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

They have several towers that can be seen from lots of locations, one seems
to be on English Hill (top of Burnside Rd).  We Nocat, have numerous sites,
and are trying to move out toward you, The Co-op is cheaper, but it is a
Coop and so the service isn't guaranteed... So it depends on what is
important to you and which signals you might be able to see.  Comcast is
also working diligently in the area.

My understanding is that Pogowave is capping the bandwidth they offer,
depending on price. It is connected to a T1 whereas we have an enhanced DSL
connection rated at max 6Mb and we see 4+Mb download, but it is adsl so the
upload is around 300Kb, but we don't cap our bandwidth so your downloads are
potentially higher.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of rimas
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:08 AM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] pogowave ?
>
>
> greetings,
>
> i recently moved to the sebastopol area (kennedy road) and have been
> exploring my high speed internet options (DSL and high speed cable don't
> seem to be happening).
>
> i just got something in my mailbox from these folks:
>
> http://www.pogowave.com/
>
> anyone have any experience dealing with them ?  i am going to try and
> schedule a free site survey and see what they say
>
> -rimas
>
>
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From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep 11 21:29:14 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:29:14 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
Message-ID: <001f01c378a3$5e644da0$1e082a0a@notebook>

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to recover a Linksys wrt54g?

This is the unit that Jim and Schuyler tried to modify.  The result is that
now the box doesn't respond on port 80.  Makes it very difficult to
configure or to re-flash.

The dumb thing _is_ running a tftp daemon, isn't it?  Is there any way of
using tftp to reflash the box with default firmware?

Roger



From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Thu Sep 11 21:34:26 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:34:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309111417280.14014-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

I've seen some archives discussing use of the min-itx, and Rob's recent posts about getting nocatsplash on the linksys  router. Any more info or stories to share on putting this system on a small, cheap machine? I'm not personally really looking for weather resistant, low power consumption and what not, but I'm sure some are. I'm looking for a way to make these cheaply and easily.

Josh



From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep 11 21:38:05 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:38:05 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309111417280.14014-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>
Message-ID: <002001c378a4$9b248f60$1e082a0a@notebook>

What do you define as cheap?

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:34 PM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use


I've seen some archives discussing use of the min-itx, and Rob's recent
posts about getting nocatsplash on the linksys  router. Any more info or
stories to share on putting this system on a small, cheap machine? I'm =
not
personally really looking for weather resistant, low power consumption =
and
what not, but I'm sure some are. I'm looking for a way to make these =
cheaply
and easily.

Josh


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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Thu Sep 11 22:42:53 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:42:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
In-Reply-To: <002001c378a4$9b248f60$1e082a0a@notebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309111641390.14014-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

I'm pretty open in my definition. If there's something that costs a bit more than others but there's a good reason, I'd like to hear about it. I want something somewhat standardized, so can't use old but functional desktops or laptops.

Josh

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:

> What do you define as cheap?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
> On Behalf Of joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
> 
> 
> I've seen some archives discussing use of the min-itx, and Rob's recent
> posts about getting nocatsplash on the linksys  router. Any more info or
> stories to share on putting this system on a small, cheap machine? I'm not
> personally really looking for weather resistant, low power consumption and
> what not, but I'm sure some are. I'm looking for a way to make these cheaply
> and easily.
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
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From schuyler at oreilly.com  Thu Sep 11 22:53:50 2003
From: schuyler at oreilly.com (Schuyler Erle)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <001f01c378a3$5e644da0$1e082a0a@notebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309111453200.14075-100000@magic.oreillynet.com>

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to recover a Linksys wrt54g?
> 
> The dumb thing _is_ running a tftp daemon, isn't it?  Is there any way of
> using tftp to reflash the box with default firmware?

Is it, now? I was never able to find one in a portscan. Maybe I wasn't
doing it right.

SDE



From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep 11 22:54:09 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:54:09 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309111641390.14014-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>
Message-ID: <002401c378af$3aeb60a0$1e082a0a@notebook>

The two things we've used in our network are the Via mini-itx boards and =
the
Soekris boards.
The wrt54g is looking pretty promising but I don't think it's ready for
production use yet.  And it's really cheap - $120.  But it isn't really
modular, you can't swap out parts or anything like you can with a Via or
Soekris.

But you could take a wrt54g, run the linux tools and Rob's nocatsplash =
on
it, and hook up a couple of external cheap AP's or wireless bridges and
probably make a decent repeater node.

Then again, you can do the same thing with an Apple AirPort or Orinoco
RG-1000/1100: see http://www.seattlewireless.net/?AirportLinux for =
details.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com
[mailto:joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:43 PM
To: Roger Weeks
Cc: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use


I'm pretty open in my definition. If there's something that costs a bit =
more
than others but there's a good reason, I'd like to hear about it. I want
something somewhat standardized, so can't use old but functional =
desktops or
laptops.

Josh

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:

> What do you define as cheap?
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net=20
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
> On Behalf Of joshmccormack@travelersdiary.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] cheap & small machines to use
>=20
>=20
> I've seen some archives discussing use of the min-itx, and Rob's=20
> recent posts about getting nocatsplash on the linksys  router. Any=20
> more info or stories to share on putting this system on a small, cheap =

> machine? I'm not personally really looking for weather resistant, low=20
> power consumption and what not, but I'm sure some are. I'm looking for =

> a way to make these cheaply and easily.
>=20
> Josh
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> NoCatNet mailing list
> NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net=20
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/nocatnet
>=20



From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep 11 23:15:20 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:15:20 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309111453200.14075-100000@magic.oreillynet.com>
Message-ID: <002701c378b2$30b0a2a0$1e082a0a@notebook>

According to this page it is:

http://seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g#head-4f2591b7a67e783fb=
77a
17649fe5c74f897ecd0c

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Erle [mailto:schuyler@oreilly.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Roger Weeks
Cc: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g


On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to recover a Linksys wrt54g?
>=20
> The dumb thing _is_ running a tftp daemon, isn't it?  Is there any way =

> of using tftp to reflash the box with default firmware?

Is it, now? I was never able to find one in a portscan. Maybe I wasn't =
doing
it right.

SDE



From rob at nocat.net  Fri Sep 12 00:17:48 2003
From: rob at nocat.net (Rob Flickenger)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:17:48 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309111453200.14075-100000@magic.oreillynet.com>
Message-ID: <28818A1C-E4AE-11D7-A5DC-000393843BC2@nocat.net>

On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 02:53  PM, Schuyler Erle wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to recover a Linksys wrt54g?
>>
>> The dumb thing _is_ running a tftp daemon, isn't it?  Is there any 
>> way of
>> using tftp to reflash the box with default firmware?
>
> Is it, now? I was never able to find one in a portscan. Maybe I wasn't
> doing it right.

It might be using UDP.  Try nmap -sU.  I believe tftpd uses port 69.

Does it still respond to ping, but not http?  Every one I've seen 
brick'd had a dead ip stack.

--Rob



From rjw at sonic.net  Fri Sep 12 00:21:13 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:21:13 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <28818A1C-E4AE-11D7-A5DC-000393843BC2@nocat.net>
Message-ID: <002801c378bb$650a7ef0$1e082a0a@notebook>

Yeah, it responds to pings.  But it's not handing out DHCP, I had to set a
static address, and it doesn't respond on port 80.

I don't know exactly what Jim and Schuyler did to it, so it's hard to tell
where to start.

I'll try an nmap against it and see what other ports are open.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Flickenger [mailto:rob@nocat.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:18 PM
To: Schuyler Erle
Cc: Roger Weeks; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g



On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 02:53  PM, Schuyler Erle wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Roger Weeks wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to recover a Linksys wrt54g?
>>
>> The dumb thing _is_ running a tftp daemon, isn't it?  Is there any
>> way of
>> using tftp to reflash the box with default firmware?
>
> Is it, now? I was never able to find one in a portscan. Maybe I wasn't 
> doing it right.

It might be using UDP.  Try nmap -sU.  I believe tftpd uses port 69.

Does it still respond to ping, but not http?  Every one I've seen 
brick'd had a dead ip stack.

--Rob



From francis_edgington at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 17:31:09 2003
From: francis_edgington at yahoo.com (Francis Edgington)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Pogowave  and Comcast cable modems
Message-ID: <20030912163109.13614.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>

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I'm sure you all will be interested in this:
 
Dr Oliver gave me a call a day or two ago,  He said come over right away!  
 
One of his patient's father is the installer for Pogowave.  They showed a laptop using a 180 deg sector antenna with USB output. (typ antenna install about $250)  They downloaded video clips to demo the speed.  Dr Oliver was sold.
 
I asked a few questions while I had the chance.  They have a T1 up on Burnside ridge at Bruce Donecker's antenna farm.   I'm sure any RF person knows Bruce's place.  A real dream spot.
 
The T1 has a few days worth of backup power which is valuable in Seb, think they said propane generator.
 
You can buy different levels of service.  From the basic  $39.95 for 128k/64k up to $59.95 for 384k/128k.  They register your MAC address and I think they run encrypted.  No free access.
 
Not too bad if you can see the ridge.  They will also allow others to act as APs but they were not pushing that.  They were not willing to give a better rate if 10 signed up at once.  They are not at break-even yet.
 
So that is the what I can remember about pogowave.  

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now to change the subject:  Comcast cable modems.
 
This sounds more cost effective if you can wait.
 
No doubt anyone who lives out in sw seb has seen the contruction going on with all the cablecom and rented bucket trucks.  They are splitting the nodes to smaller sizes required for cable modem service.  I suspect that this fall they will start selling the service.  The various offers I have in my mail box in the past few months have taken a number of forms.  $19.95 for 3 mon (one flyer said for 6 mon) then to regular fee of 24.95 for video cust and 56.95 for non video custs. 
 
Cable modems can run at different levels of service.  They say 25xdial-up (1.5M) in downstrean and don't mention of course the slower rates in the upstream.  New cable modem systems can run 64QAM upstream so can get much higher upstream rates if they configure it that way.  For a few more bucks per month I'm sure they will accomodate those users.
 
Motorola has a new unit (SBG1000) that acts as modem, router, firewall, wireless AP and print server. 
http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=247524&prmenbr=126&bcs_cgrfnbr=230509&zipcode
 
 Toshiba has something close.  The PCX5000
http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/products/index.html
 
Cheers,
 
  Frank Edgington

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<DIV>I'm sure you all will be interested in this:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dr Oliver gave me a call a day or two ago,&nbsp; He said come over right away!&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>One of his patient's father is the installer for Pogowave.&nbsp; They showed a laptop using a 180 deg sector antenna with USB output. (typ antenna install about $250)&nbsp; They downloaded video clips to demo the speed.&nbsp; Dr Oliver was sold.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I asked a few questions while I had the chance.&nbsp; They have a T1 up on Burnside ridge at Bruce Donecker's antenna farm.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure any RF person knows Bruce's place.&nbsp; A real dream spot.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The T1 has a few days worth of backup power which is valuable in Seb, think they said propane generator.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You can buy&nbsp;different&nbsp;levels of service.&nbsp;&nbsp;From the basic &nbsp;$39.95 for 128k/64k up to $59.95 for 384k/128k.&nbsp; They register your MAC address and I think they run encrypted.&nbsp; No free access.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Not too bad if you can see the ridge.&nbsp; They will also allow others to act as APs but they were not pushing that.&nbsp; They were not willing to give a better rate if 10 signed up at once.&nbsp; They are not at break-even yet.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>So that is the what I can remember about pogowave.&nbsp; </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>Now to change the subject:&nbsp; Comcast cable modems.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This sounds more cost effective if you can wait.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>No doubt anyone who lives out in sw seb has seen the contruction going on with all the cablecom and rented bucket trucks.&nbsp; They are splitting the nodes to smaller sizes required for cable modem service.&nbsp;&nbsp;I suspect&nbsp;that this fall they will start selling the service.&nbsp; The various offers I have in my mail box in the past few months have taken a number of forms.&nbsp; $19.95 for&nbsp;3 mon&nbsp;(one flyer said for 6 mon)&nbsp;then to regular fee of 24.95 for video cust and 56.95 for non video custs. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cable modems can run at different levels of service.&nbsp; They say 25xdial-up (1.5M) in downstrean and don't mention of course the slower rates in the upstream.&nbsp; New cable modem systems can run 64QAM upstream so can get much higher upstream rates if they configure it that way.&nbsp; For a few more bucks per month I'm sure they will accomodate those users.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Motorola has a new&nbsp;unit (SBG1000) that acts as modem, router, firewall, wireless AP and print server.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=247524&amp;prmenbr=126&amp;bcs_cgrfnbr=230509&amp;zipcode">http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=247524&amp;prmenbr=126&amp;bcs_cgrfnbr=230509&amp;zipcode</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Toshiba has something close.&nbsp; The PCX5000</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/products/index.html">http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/products/index.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; Frank Edgington</DIV>
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From suttonreidiv at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 18:36:18 2003
From: suttonreidiv at yahoo.com (Sutton Reid)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Pogowave  and Comcast cable modems
In-Reply-To: <20030912163109.13614.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030912173618.74402.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com>

Francis,

Murphy at work, again. I just signed up for SBC/Yahoo
this morning before your email came. I think I may
just cancel and wait for the Comcast. I have good LoS
for PogoWave and I really want them to succeed, but am
leary of putting my eggs in the basket, so to speak.

Sutton

--- Francis Edgington <francis_edgington@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I'm sure you all will be interested in this:
>  
> Dr Oliver gave me a call a day or two ago,  He said
> come over right away!  
>  
> One of his patient's father is the installer for
> Pogowave.  They showed a laptop using a 180 deg
> sector antenna with USB output. (typ antenna install
> about $250)  They downloaded video clips to demo the
> speed.  Dr Oliver was sold.
>  
> I asked a few questions while I had the chance. 
> They have a T1 up on Burnside ridge at Bruce
> Donecker's antenna farm.   I'm sure any RF person
> knows Bruce's place.  A real dream spot.
>  
> The T1 has a few days worth of backup power which is
> valuable in Seb, think they said propane generator.
>  
> You can buy different levels of service.  From the
> basic  $39.95 for 128k/64k up to $59.95 for
> 384k/128k.  They register your MAC address and I
> think they run encrypted.  No free access.
>  
> Not too bad if you can see the ridge.  They will
> also allow others to act as APs but they were not
> pushing that.  They were not willing to give a
> better rate if 10 signed up at once.  They are not
> at break-even yet.
>  
> So that is the what I can remember about pogowave.  
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Now to change the subject:  Comcast cable modems.
>  
> This sounds more cost effective if you can wait.
>  
> No doubt anyone who lives out in sw seb has seen the
> contruction going on with all the cablecom and
> rented bucket trucks.  They are splitting the nodes
> to smaller sizes required for cable modem service. 
> I suspect that this fall they will start selling the
> service.  The various offers I have in my mail box
> in the past few months have taken a number of forms.
>  $19.95 for 3 mon (one flyer said for 6 mon) then to
> regular fee of 24.95 for video cust and 56.95 for
> non video custs. 
>  
> Cable modems can run at different levels of service.
>  They say 25xdial-up (1.5M) in downstrean and don't
> mention of course the slower rates in the upstream. 
> New cable modem systems can run 64QAM upstream so
> can get much higher upstream rates if they configure
> it that way.  For a few more bucks per month I'm
> sure they will accomodate those users.
>  
> Motorola has a new unit (SBG1000) that acts as
> modem, router, firewall, wireless AP and print
> server. 
>
http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=247524&prmenbr=126&bcs_cgrfnbr=230509&zipcode
>  
>  Toshiba has something close.  The PCX5000
> http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/products/index.html
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>   Frank Edgington
> 


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From max at theslimmers.net  Fri Sep 12 21:03:03 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:03:03 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Pogowave  and Comcast cable modems
In-Reply-To: <20030912163109.13614.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMAENMEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

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Frances,
In your case we have proven a link from your place to GrandView, and by
using nocat/co-op you would get much greater bandwidth,  we are seeing 3-4Mb
down load and 380Kb up. The cost is $35/mo and installation equip is now
about the same, we can put a Via together for just over $200. Using a usb
connection means it would be difficult to share the connection amongst
machines at your place.

I have nothing against PogoWave, in fact I am helping someone to get
connected because we don't have anything yet that he can see, but from both
a performance and cost point of view Nocat/Wscicc is a much better deal.

max
  -----Original Message-----
  From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Francis Edgington
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:31 AM
  To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
  Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Pogowave and Comcast cable modems


  I'm sure you all will be interested in this:

  Dr Oliver gave me a call a day or two ago,  He said come over right away!

  One of his patient's father is the installer for Pogowave.  They showed a
laptop using a 180 deg sector antenna with USB output. (typ antenna install
about $250)  They downloaded video clips to demo the speed.  Dr Oliver was
sold.

  I asked a few questions while I had the chance.  They have a T1 up on
Burnside ridge at Bruce Donecker's antenna farm.   I'm sure any RF person
knows Bruce's place.  A real dream spot.

  The T1 has a few days worth of backup power which is valuable in Seb,
think they said propane generator.

  You can buy different levels of service.  From the basic  $39.95 for
128k/64k up to $59.95 for 384k/128k.  They register your MAC address and I
think they run encrypted.  No free access.

  Not too bad if you can see the ridge.  They will also allow others to act
as APs but they were not pushing that.  They were not willing to give a
better rate if 10 signed up at once.  They are not at break-even yet.

  So that is the what I can remember about pogowave.
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------
  Now to change the subject:  Comcast cable modems.

  This sounds more cost effective if you can wait.

  No doubt anyone who lives out in sw seb has seen the contruction going on
with all the cablecom and rented bucket trucks.  They are splitting the
nodes to smaller sizes required for cable modem service.  I suspect that
this fall they will start selling the service.  The various offers I have in
my mail box in the past few months have taken a number of forms.  $19.95 for
3 mon (one flyer said for 6 mon) then to regular fee of 24.95 for video cust
and 56.95 for non video custs.

  Cable modems can run at different levels of service.  They say 25xdial-up
(1.5M) in downstrean and don't mention of course the slower rates in the
upstream.  New cable modem systems can run 64QAM upstream so can get much
higher upstream rates if they configure it that way.  For a few more bucks
per month I'm sure they will accomodate those users.

  Motorola has a new unit (SBG1000) that acts as modem, router, firewall,
wireless AP and print server.

http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=24752
4&prmenbr=126&bcs_cgrfnbr=230509&zipcode

   Toshiba has something close.  The PCX5000
  http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/products/index.html

  Cheers,

    Frank Edgington

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From suttonreidiv at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 21:54:08 2003
From: suttonreidiv at yahoo.com (Sutton Reid)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:54:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Site survey, jam session?
In-Reply-To: <20030912173618.74402.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030912205408.68416.qmail@web14410.mail.yahoo.com>

I think I have a good location, aka "Blue Star Ranch"
in the database, with good LoS to SW and NW, trees
directly west.

I have a general idea of the minimum cost of setting
something up, but I'm wondering what the "next step"
should be.

I'm on Blackney Rd, just ever so slightly west of the
top of the hill, between Pleasant Hill and
Watertrough, and have plenty of space.

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From dyusem at relegevity.com  Fri Sep 12 23:20:38 2003
From: dyusem at relegevity.com (David Yusem)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:20:38 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] <OT> recording to a VCR from a Dish box
Message-ID: <BB8794C6.1018E%dyusem@relegevity.com>

Please excuse my OT post...I thought that the wisdom of this list may shed
some light on my inability to wire my Dish box, TV and VCR to record the
digital stations on tape so my wife can get her West Wing, Alias, 24 etc.
fix.

The Dish tech that installed the box mentioned that what I want to do was
possible, however he could not advise me exactly what to do...he suggested
that I try Circuit City and they were useless...

Does anyone have a clue???

Thanks,
David - 1 to many thumbs on his left hand

p.s. I'm on digest so direct post to david@rennlist.net is fine.



From max at theslimmers.net  Fri Sep 12 23:26:51 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:26:51 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Site survey, jam session?
In-Reply-To: <20030912205408.68416.qmail@web14410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMCENNEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

Next step is to see if you can actually see any active nodes, as indicated
in the map, you should be able to see Gold Ridge and possibly others.  I
might be doing some link testing on the weekend...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Sutton Reid
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] Site survey, jam session?
>
>
> I think I have a good location, aka "Blue Star Ranch"
> in the database, with good LoS to SW and NW, trees
> directly west.
>
> I have a general idea of the minimum cost of setting
> something up, but I'm wondering what the "next step"
> should be.
>
> I'm on Blackney Rd, just ever so slightly west of the
> top of the hill, between Pleasant Hill and
> Watertrough, and have plenty of space.
>
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From max at theslimmers.net  Fri Sep 12 23:37:06 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:37:06 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] <OT> recording to a VCR from a Dish box
In-Reply-To: <BB8794C6.1018E%dyusem@relegevity.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMAENOEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

You should be able to wire from the dish receiver to the vcr and output of
vcr to tv.
A better alternative is freevo (free tivo) or you could subscribe to tivo
http://freevo.sourceforge.net/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of David Yusem
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] <OT> recording to a VCR from a Dish box
>
>
> Please excuse my OT post...I thought that the wisdom of this list may shed
> some light on my inability to wire my Dish box, TV and VCR to record the
> digital stations on tape so my wife can get her West Wing, Alias, 24 etc.
> fix.
>
> The Dish tech that installed the box mentioned that what I want to do was
> possible, however he could not advise me exactly what to do...he suggested
> that I try Circuit City and they were useless...
>
> Does anyone have a clue???
>
> Thanks,
> David - 1 to many thumbs on his left hand
>
> p.s. I'm on digest so direct post to david@rennlist.net is fine.
>
>
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From dave at goldmountain.com  Sat Sep 13 00:39:48 2003
From: dave at goldmountain.com (Dave Chapman)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:39:48 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Oak Grove School
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20030912163948.006bc278@mail.monitor.net>

Hi,
   I went over to the school and looked around.
It has good lines of sight south-west, south, and
south-east.  There is a line of trees which should
not degrade the signal very much.

   It looks like a clean line-of-sight to Gold Ridge.
>From a map, I can't say what the Twin Hills School
line-of-sight would be.  It looks OK, but there
are some hills in the area north of Mill Station Rd.
which may block that line.

-dave chapman



=========================================================



From rich at testingrange.com  Sat Sep 13 00:57:37 2003
From: rich at testingrange.com (Rich Gibson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:57:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <002801c378bb$650a7ef0$1e082a0a@notebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0309121655550.28241-100000@testingrange.com>

> I don't know exactly what Jim and Schuyler did to it, so it's hard to tell
> where to start.

Schuyler modified the equivelant of index.html.  It uses a custom httpd
server that wants a specially formatted file for the html pages.  Schuyler
basically modified this file in a way that the httpd daemon dislikes...so
basically it is a fully functonal wrt54g except you can't talk to the
management screens.



From rjw at sonic.net  Sat Sep 13 01:02:08 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:02:08 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0309121655550.28241-100000@testingrange.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3798a$47012150$1e082a0a@notebook>

What about management screens that aren't the main index.html page?

I get no response on port 80 from the box at all.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Rich Gibson
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:58 PM
To: Roger Weeks
Cc: 'Rob Flickenger'; 'Schuyler Erle'; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] dead wrt54g


> I don't know exactly what Jim and Schuyler did to it, so it's hard to=20
> tell where to start.

Schuyler modified the equivelant of index.html.  It uses a custom httpd
server that wants a specially formatted file for the html pages.  =
Schuyler
basically modified this file in a way that the httpd daemon =
dislikes...so
basically it is a fully functonal wrt54g except you can't talk to the
management screens.


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From rjw at sonic.net  Sat Sep 13 01:03:31 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:03:31 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Oak Grove School
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20030912163948.006bc278@mail.monitor.net>
Message-ID: <000801c3798a$781e3840$1e082a0a@notebook>

There may not be an antenna pointed in the direction of Oak Grove at =
your
place, though...
Did they have any view to the west?  Wonder if they could see Grandview.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Chapman
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:40 PM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Oak Grove School


Hi,
   I went over to the school and looked around.
It has good lines of sight south-west, south, and
south-east.  There is a line of trees which should
not degrade the signal very much.

   It looks like a clean line-of-sight to Gold Ridge.
>From a map, I can't say what the Twin Hills School line-of-sight would =
be.
It looks OK, but there are some hills in the area north of Mill Station =
Rd.
which may block that line.

-dave chapman



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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From doparsons at rev.net  Sat Sep 13 07:46:17 2003
From: doparsons at rev.net (Doug Parsons)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:46:17 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] Not exactly line of site.
Message-ID: <020f01c379c2$bc240780$2f01a8c0@cablenetva.com>

Newbie here. Curious as to how many trees before it causes too much grief. I
am looking to do a link to a neighbors house and would like to keep the
antenna close to my house. The distance is around a 1000 feet. Was hoping to
use a couple of cantennas or maybe just bi-quads. I was shying away from the
dish setup due to size. I am totally new to all this and need to get a feel
before sinking a lot of time or any money into it. It will only be for
Internet so it's not critical to have high bandwidth. 1 meg would be plenty
as long as it is reliable. I know it's hard to quantify how many, but during
winter the line of site is fairly clear.

On another front, looking for some plans for a good omni-directional and a
higher powered AP. A future potential project is to setup wireless access
for the police car in the small town where I live. Any suggested websites
would be appreciated. DIY and low cost is the preferred methods.

Thanks

Doug Parsons




From tony at saign.com  Sat Sep 13 18:56:54 2003
From: tony at saign.com (Tony Saign)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:56:54 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] FW: [KISMET] OT Need to find an AP based on the Intersil ISL39300A reference design.
Message-ID: <000001c37a20$6dc62470$140111ac@frankenmobl>

Maybe someone on this list can help me out??
We're trying to find an AP based on the below design.

Thanks in advance,
-Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Saign [mailto:tony@saign.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:31 AM
To: wireless@kismetwireless.net
Subject: [KISMET] OT Need to find an AP based on the Intersil ISL39300A
reference design.
Importance: High

Hopefully someone out there can assist me.
Does anyone know of an AP that is based on the above board??

Thanks in advance,
-Tony






From rjw at sonic.net  Sat Sep 13 22:35:44 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:35:44 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Not exactly line of site.
In-Reply-To: <020f01c379c2$bc240780$2f01a8c0@cablenetva.com>
Message-ID: <000301c37a3e$fd709240$1e082a0a@notebook>

One decidious tree will completely kill your signal when it leafs out, =
if
you are shooting through the tree.

In my case, we did a signal test in April and received excellent signal.
When I set up my node in July the oak was in full leaf and I had to put =
up a
10' mast to get over the top of the tree, otherwise I had no signal at =
all.
This is with a 24db dish antenna.

Roger Weeks

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From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
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On Behalf Of Doug Parsons
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:46 PM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Not exactly line of site.


Newbie here. Curious as to how many trees before it causes too much =
grief. I
am looking to do a link to a neighbors house and would like to keep the
antenna close to my house. The distance is around a 1000 feet. Was =
hoping to
use a couple of cantennas or maybe just bi-quads. I was shying away from =
the
dish setup due to size. I am totally new to all this and need to get a =
feel
before sinking a lot of time or any money into it. It will only be for
Internet so it's not critical to have high bandwidth. 1 meg would be =
plenty
as long as it is reliable. I know it's hard to quantify how many, but =
during
winter the line of site is fairly clear.

On another front, looking for some plans for a good omni-directional and =
a
higher powered AP. A future potential project is to setup wireless =
access
for the police car in the small town where I live. Any suggested =
websites
would be appreciated. DIY and low cost is the preferred methods.

Thanks

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From max at theslimmers.net  Sun Sep 14 23:03:17 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:03:17 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] point to point connection
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMGEODEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

Any suggestions on equip for connecting point to point (ad-hoc).  This would
be over 5 miles using 24db antennas good LOS. Could he use wap11's ? or ???.

Max Slimmer - Computer Solution Builders
eMail: mslimmer@csbuilders.net
Office:(707)823-4156
Cell:  (707)280-9299



From max at theslimmers.net  Mon Sep 15 18:33:56 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:33:56 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] antenna purchase
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMEEOGEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

Andy and Sutton are making a purchase of 24dB antennas, anyone interested in
joining in on buy should let them know, save a few on shipping...

max



From RichardDBland at aol.com  Mon Sep 15 21:52:53 2003
From: RichardDBland at aol.com (RichardDBland@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
Message-ID: <53870A8E.2020EF97.237A85AE@aol.com>

Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload speeds to Grandview.

Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from 40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.

Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?

Richard Bland


From rjw at alembic.com  Tue Sep 16 00:17:54 2003
From: rjw at alembic.com (Ron Wickersham)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] point to point connection
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMGEODEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>
References: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMGEODEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.0309151540070.31920@darkstar.alembic.com>

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Any suggestions on equip for connecting point to point (ad-hoc).  This would
> be over 5 miles using 24db antennas good LOS. Could he use wap11's ? or ???.

the free-space path loss is 118.2dB for 5mi.

that is to say that if you had antennas with 0dBi gain on each end and a
transmitter power of 1mW you get a received signal of -118.2dB.

but you're proposing two 24dBi antennas.  so the path loss from antenna
terminal to antenna terminal is 48dB less or -70.2dB.

you need pigtails and connector which will eat up a couple of dB, so let's
allow 6dB to cover both ends, so you would really see about -76dB loss
at the radio terminals.

if you use a transmitter power of 15dBm (30mW) then your received signal
would be -60dBm.

that should be plenty of signal for a nice full-speed link.

it is reported that some of the boxes state something like +20dBm but that
is based on equivalent including their 5dBi antenna supplied with the unit.
the actual transmitter is still approx 30mW.   here's a link that you may
want to read down to the bottom before selecting wht WAP11:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWap11Comments

-ron



From jchriste at sonic.net  Tue Sep 16 05:13:53 2003
From: jchriste at sonic.net (Jack Christensen)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:13:53 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] point to point connection
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.0309151540070.31920@darkstar.alembic.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBLDLMHBAEACKJLBPEGELACIAA.jchriste@sonic.net>

After reading the Seattle Wireless link, I'm not sure I'd want to use a
WAP11.

Jack


Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Ron Wickersham
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:18 PM
To: Max Slimmer
Cc: Nocatnet; alennox@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] point to point connection



On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Any suggestions on equip for connecting point to point (ad-hoc).  This
would
> be over 5 miles using 24db antennas good LOS. Could he use wap11's ? or
???.

the free-space path loss is 118.2dB for 5mi.

that is to say that if you had antennas with 0dBi gain on each end and a
transmitter power of 1mW you get a received signal of -118.2dB.

but you're proposing two 24dBi antennas.  so the path loss from antenna
terminal to antenna terminal is 48dB less or -70.2dB.

you need pigtails and connector which will eat up a couple of dB, so let's
allow 6dB to cover both ends, so you would really see about -76dB loss
at the radio terminals.

if you use a transmitter power of 15dBm (30mW) then your received signal
would be -60dBm.

that should be plenty of signal for a nice full-speed link.

it is reported that some of the boxes state something like +20dBm but that
is based on equivalent including their 5dBi antenna supplied with the unit.
the actual transmitter is still approx 30mW.   here's a link that you may
want to read down to the bottom before selecting wht WAP11:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWap11Comments

-ron


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From rjw at sonic.net  Tue Sep 16 16:02:52 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:02:52 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] point to point connection
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLDLMHBAEACKJLBPEGELACIAA.jchriste@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <001701c37c63$9a39c670$1f082a0a@wxprweeks>

And in fact, this would explain Curt Helstrom's awful performance at his
node:

UPDATE 09/11/2002 Further testing of WAP11 ver 2.2 shows that using the
device in 'client mode' is not a true 802.11b client. it parks on one
channel and stays there thus no 802.11 style roaming is available. =
That's
not so bad and we could live with that, however this next detail is
TERRIBLE. In the event of any small signal fade even of very short =
duration
the link goes down and stays down forever. The firmware is not =
intellegent
enough to recognise (a)signal was lost and (b) connection/association =
needs
to be re-established. The unit will stay in link down status =
indefinitely
until either side of the link is power cycle rebooted.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Jack Christensen
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Nocatnet
Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] point to point connection


After reading the Seattle Wireless link, I'm not sure I'd want to use a
WAP11.

Jack


Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]On Behalf Of Ron Wickersham
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:18 PM
To: Max Slimmer
Cc: Nocatnet; alennox@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] point to point connection



On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Any suggestions on equip for connecting point to point (ad-hoc).  This
would
> be over 5 miles using 24db antennas good LOS. Could he use wap11's ? =
or
???.

the free-space path loss is 118.2dB for 5mi.

that is to say that if you had antennas with 0dBi gain on each end and a
transmitter power of 1mW you get a received signal of -118.2dB.

but you're proposing two 24dBi antennas.  so the path loss from antenna
terminal to antenna terminal is 48dB less or -70.2dB.

you need pigtails and connector which will eat up a couple of dB, so =
let's
allow 6dB to cover both ends, so you would really see about -76dB loss
at the radio terminals.

if you use a transmitter power of 15dBm (30mW) then your received signal
would be -60dBm.

that should be plenty of signal for a nice full-speed link.

it is reported that some of the boxes state something like +20dBm but =
that
is based on equivalent including their 5dBi antenna supplied with the =
unit.
the actual transmitter is still approx 30mW.   here's a link that you =
may
want to read down to the bottom before selecting wht WAP11:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWap11Comments

-ron


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From cahelstrom at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:09:53 2003
From: cahelstrom at hotmail.com (Curt Helstrom)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:09:53 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
Message-ID: <Law9-F75AFkx5tu0GL8000204bf@hotmail.com>

Hi Richard,

Just tried both VicTrees and Sonic, and got 3.1+ MB from VicTrees and 2.8 to 
3.1 MB
from Sonic.  Though I have seen variations, it has been topping out over 3 
MB most of
the time.

Curt


>From: RichardDBland@aol.com
>To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400
>
>Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload speeds 
>to Grandview.
>
>Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on 
>Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from 
>40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.
>
>Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if 
>Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?
>
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>
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From rjw at sonic.net  Tue Sep 16 17:44:24 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:44:24 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F75AFkx5tu0GL8000204bf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c37c71$c98fd0a0$1f082a0a@wxprweeks>

Curt, have you had the problem again where throughput drops to almost
nothing?
Wondering if it is your WET11, and Richard might have the same problem.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:10 AM
To: RichardDBland@aol.com; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.


Hi Richard,

Just tried both VicTrees and Sonic, and got 3.1+ MB from VicTrees and =
2.8 to

3.1 MB
from Sonic.  Though I have seen variations, it has been topping out over =
3=20
MB most of
the time.

Curt


>From: RichardDBland@aol.com
>To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400
>
>Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload =
speeds=20
>to Grandview.
>
>Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on=20
>Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from =

>40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.
>
>Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if=20
>Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?
>
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>
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From gshubin at sonic.net  Tue Sep 16 18:48:02 2003
From: gshubin at sonic.net (Greg Shubin)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:48:02 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
In-Reply-To: <001b01c37c71$c98fd0a0$1f082a0a@wxprweeks>
References: <001b01c37c71$c98fd0a0$1f082a0a@wxprweeks>
Message-ID: <3F674CD2.3060905@sonic.net>

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
  <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">
  <title></title>
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
My connection has gone slow again, but the signal strength is
acceptable (low to mid 80's). Last night the effective throughput was
worse than a 300 baud modem - that is when it worked at all.<br>
<br>
Roger Weeks wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
 cite="mid001b01c37c71$c98fd0a0$1f082a0a@wxprweeks">
  <pre wrap="">Curt, have you had the problem again where throughput drops to almost
nothing?
Wondering if it is your WET11, and Richard might have the same problem.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net">nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net">mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:10 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RichardDBland@aol.com">RichardDBland@aol.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nocatnet@lists.nocat.net">nocatnet@lists.nocat.net</a>
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.


Hi Richard,

Just tried both VicTrees and Sonic, and got 3.1+ MB from VicTrees and 2.8 to

3.1 MB
from Sonic.  Though I have seen variations, it has been topping out over 3 
MB most of
the time.

Curt


  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RichardDBland@aol.com">RichardDBland@aol.com</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nocatnet@lists.nocat.net">nocatnet@lists.nocat.net</a>
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400

Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload speeds 
to Grandview.

Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on 
Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from 
40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.

Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if 
Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?

Richard Bland

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From cahelstrom at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 16 20:34:46 2003
From: cahelstrom at hotmail.com (Curt Helstrom)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:34:46 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
Message-ID: <Law9-F950aAGgWtpe1O00010b41@hotmail.com>

Hi Roger,

Haven't been on as active lately - too many other things going on, so I
can't say with confidence that the problem hasn't reoccurred.

Robert, the last time I saw very slow performance I reset (powered off
then back on) the Wet11 and my throughput jumped from 300 KB to
over 3 MB.  You might give that a try.

I believe you have newer firmware in your Wet11 then is in mine, so what
I have seen may not be similar to what your seeing.

Curt


>From: "Roger Weeks" <rjw@sonic.net>
>To: "'Curt Helstrom'" <cahelstrom@hotmail.com>, <RichardDBland@aol.com>,   
><nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
>Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:44:24 -0700
>
>Curt, have you had the problem again where throughput drops to almost
>nothing?
>Wondering if it is your WET11, and Richard might have the same problem.
>
>Roger
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net 
>[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
>On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:10 AM
>To: RichardDBland@aol.com; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>Just tried both VicTrees and Sonic, and got 3.1+ MB from VicTrees and 2.8 
>to
>
>3.1 MB
>from Sonic.  Though I have seen variations, it has been topping out over 3
>MB most of
>the time.
>
>Curt
>
>
> >From: RichardDBland@aol.com
> >To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> >Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
> >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400
> >
> >Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload 
>speeds
> >to Grandview.
> >
> >Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on
> >Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from
> >40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.
> >
> >Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if
> >Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?
> >
> >Richard Bland
> >
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From matt_townsend at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 17 01:40:03 2003
From: matt_townsend at earthlink.net (Matt Townsend)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:40:03 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F950aAGgWtpe1O00010b41@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030916173859.0132de08@mail.earthlink.net>

Richard might be clipping the very edge of the sector antenna's bloom as well.

At 12:34 PM 09/16/2003 -0700, Curt Helstrom wrote:
>Hi Roger,
>
>Haven't been on as active lately - too many other things going on, so I
>can't say with confidence that the problem hasn't reoccurred.
>
>Robert, the last time I saw very slow performance I reset (powered off
>then back on) the Wet11 and my throughput jumped from 300 KB to
>over 3 MB.  You might give that a try.
>
>I believe you have newer firmware in your Wet11 then is in mine, so what
>I have seen may not be similar to what your seeing.
>
>Curt
>
>
>>From: "Roger Weeks" <rjw@sonic.net>
>>To: "'Curt Helstrom'" <cahelstrom@hotmail.com>, <RichardDBland@aol.com>,
>><nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
>>Subject: RE: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:44:24 -0700
>>
>>Curt, have you had the problem again where throughput drops to almost
>>nothing?
>>Wondering if it is your WET11, and Richard might have the same problem.
>>
>>Roger
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
>>On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:10 AM
>>To: RichardDBland@aol.com; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>>Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>>
>>
>>Hi Richard,
>>
>>Just tried both VicTrees and Sonic, and got 3.1+ MB from VicTrees and 2.8 to
>>
>>3.1 MB
>>from Sonic.  Though I have seen variations, it has been topping out over 3
>>MB most of
>>the time.
>>
>>Curt
>>
>>
>> >From: RichardDBland@aol.com
>> >To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>> >Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
>> >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:52:53 -0400
>> >
>> >Recently there was a reference to 3-4 Mb download and 350 Kb upload speeds
>> >to Grandview.
>> >
>> >Recently, we have been getting very unpredictable speeds at my home on
>> >Green Hill using the Grandview node.  My download speed has varied from
>> >40Kb to 400Kb.  Upload FTP has often timed out.
>> >
>> >Although I don't understand all that goes on, I would be surprised if
>> >Graton could expect 3-4Mb given my experience.  What is Curt getting?
>> >
>> >Richard Bland
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >NoCatNet mailing list
>> >NoCatNet@lists.nocat.net
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From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 06:52:53 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (rjw)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:52:53 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030916173859.0132de08@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <Law9-F950aAGgWtpe1O00010b41@hotmail.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030916173859.0132de08@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030916225253.A24490@sonic.net>

I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the problem we are seeing with massive slowdowns in the evenings does not reside within our wireless network.

It's 10:50pm, and I'm doing a tcpdump at Victrees while doing a couple of simultaneous apt-get updates on my box and at Victrees.  Both of them are crawling.

There is almost no traffic right now.  Schuyler has an IRC session going, I see some email traffic and a bit of web traffic and that is it.  Nothing to indicate any massive data transfers, or anything else out of the ordinary.

FTP tests from my PC to Victrees give me between 1-2 megabits/second.
FTP tests from my PC to Sonic give me 3.8kbps.  Barely modem speed.

If I had to guess, I would say that our DSL line is to blame.  I hate to drag out this old saw, but we only have 384k of outbound bandwidth.  Since I'm guessing that the majority of our traffic is TCP-based rather than UDP-based, that means that any incoming packet must be ACKed back to the source.  That's how TCP works.

We have enough usage/users here that in the evenings - prime time for Net usage, I'm not suprised that we might be tanking the DSL.

Max, can we get Sonic/PacBell to do DSL testing on the line?  It would be ideal if we could get them to test in the evening when the problem seems to occur.

I'm going to get Cacti - a monitoring tool - up and running at Victrees, and when I do I'll publish the URL for it.

Roger


From matt_townsend at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 17 15:33:10 2003
From: matt_townsend at earthlink.net (Matt Townsend)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:33:10 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030917073153.01302e18@mail.earthlink.net>

Since we're marking times:

6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11. 
Ditto at 7:30 am.

Matt



From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 15:51:29 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:51:29 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Back to operational
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030917073153.01302e18@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c37d2b$2db8fe30$1e082a0a@notebook>

As of 7:30 we had 81% packet loss on pings to Sonic.

As I believe this is entirely a DSL problem I called Bob Parks at =
Victrees a
few minutes ago - it's now 7:44 - and asked him to reset the DSL =
hardware.

Within 2 minutes we were back to normal.  FTP speed tests to Sonic from =
my
place returned 2.8mbps.

Max, we either have a hardware issue with the DSL hardware at Victrees =
or we
have a line issue.  Can you open a ticket with Sonic and report the =
problem?

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Matt Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:33 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info


Since we're marking times:

6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11.=20
Ditto at 7:30 am.

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From max at theslimmers.net  Wed Sep 17 17:56:41 2003
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:41 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational
In-Reply-To: <000d01c37d2b$2db8fe30$1e082a0a@notebook>
Message-ID: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMMEONEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>

If reseting the hardware on our end fixed the problem, what do we say to
Sonic?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: 'Matt Townsend'; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Cc: max@TheSlimmers.net
> Subject: Back to operational
>
>
> As of 7:30 we had 81% packet loss on pings to Sonic.
>
> As I believe this is entirely a DSL problem I called Bob Parks at
> Victrees a
> few minutes ago - it's now 7:44 - and asked him to reset the DSL hardware.
>
> Within 2 minutes we were back to normal.  FTP speed tests to Sonic from my
> place returned 2.8mbps.
>
> Max, we either have a hardware issue with the DSL hardware at
> Victrees or we
> have a line issue.  Can you open a ticket with Sonic and report
> the problem?
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Matt Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:33 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info


Since we're marking times:

6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11.
Ditto at 7:30 am.

Matt


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From kgreen at sebusd.org  Wed Sep 17 04:42:12 2003
From: kgreen at sebusd.org (kgreen@sebusd.org)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:42:12 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Thanks and ....
Message-ID: <web-1854720@scoe.org>

Gentlemen:

Let me thank you all for allowing me to make my plea for 
bringing the Sebastopol K-8 community into the 21st. 
century. So, in the spirit of "what have you done for me 
lately" I'm looking for assistance and contributed wisdom 
in doing initial site and feasability surveys.
To my uneducated eye, the link betwen Twin Hills Middle 
School and Apple Blossom Elementary looks to be the 
easiest.
Also, the superintendant is on board and has given me 
carte blanche to crawl around roofs and such.
I am available any time of day or night to make this 
happen.

(read the following with voice of an old Irish priest.)

"Remember Charlie, it's for the children."

Thanks,

KC


From jimtalks at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 15:54:34 2003
From: jimtalks at sonic.net (jimtalks@sonic.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030917073153.01302e18@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030917073153.01302e18@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49619.209.204.150.145.1063810474.squirrel@ssl.sonic.net>

My Fellow NoCat,

The reason I have called you all here today . . ..

8-)

I was off line midnight to about 4:30 am and still had the slow down
problem until I rebooted the VIA at 6:30pm.
Immediately back to normal speed.

Update: lasted half an hour, then speed dropped back to less than dail-up.
Rebooted.
No difference.
Screen would not even refresh, could not conduct speed test as is no
connection speed.

So, have switched to dial-up as NoCat is not functioning or functioning
off-and-on with no rhyme or reason.
IMHO

Could keep rebooting but have to go to work.

Best of luck in solving the
   (hopefully only Temporary)
                loss our our Great Experiment,

Jim

-------------------------------------------
> Since we're marking times:
>
> 6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11.
> Ditto at 7:30 am.
>
> Matt
>
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From david at dupresystems.com  Tue Sep 16 12:38:55 2003
From: david at dupresystems.com (David DuPre)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:38:55 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] point to point connection
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.53.0309151540070.31920@darkstar.alembic.com>
Message-ID: <024301c37c47$1c89a1d0$e800a8c0@techsup>

I use the D-Link products, and have not tested this, but for those with a WAP11, you might
want to consider this solution:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4890611~root=equip,16~mode=flat;start=0 

Do this upgrade at your own risk...I am not endorsing it, just passing along some
additional information that people have written about options for the Wap11.

David DuPre'  - EPEC HyPerformix Inc.     Office: 706-820-2252 

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net] On Behalf Of
Ron Wickersham
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:18 PM
To: Max Slimmer
Cc: Nocatnet; alennox@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] point to point connection


On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Any suggestions on equip for connecting point to point (ad-hoc).  This would
> be over 5 miles using 24db antennas good LOS. Could he use wap11's ? or ???.

the free-space path loss is 118.2dB for 5mi.

that is to say that if you had antennas with 0dBi gain on each end and a
transmitter power of 1mW you get a received signal of -118.2dB.

but you're proposing two 24dBi antennas.  so the path loss from antenna
terminal to antenna terminal is 48dB less or -70.2dB.

you need pigtails and connector which will eat up a couple of dB, so let's
allow 6dB to cover both ends, so you would really see about -76dB loss
at the radio terminals.

if you use a transmitter power of 15dBm (30mW) then your received signal
would be -60dBm.

that should be plenty of signal for a nice full-speed link.

it is reported that some of the boxes state something like +20dBm but that
is based on equivalent including their 5dBi antenna supplied with the unit.
the actual transmitter is still approx 30mW.   here's a link that you may
want to read down to the bottom before selecting wht WAP11:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWap11Comments

-ron


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From jimtalks at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 14:28:38 2003
From: jimtalks at sonic.net (jimtalks@sonic.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] GrandView connect speed.
In-Reply-To: <20030916225253.A24490@sonic.net>
References: <Law9-F950aAGgWtpe1O00010b41@hotmail.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030916173859.0132de08@mail.earthlink.net>
 <20030916225253.A24490@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <49565.209.204.139.228.1063805318.squirrel@ssl.sonic.net>

I used to see this sudden speed drop down to next to nothing every morning
around 4am and it would last about an hour with no action on my part.
Went on for 2 months before I started teaching Aug. 20 and my hours
changed; i.e., do not know what happened at about 4 am after that.
I mentioned this several times but no record of anything relevant could be
found in the log, I was told.
Of course, at 4am I was not inclined to reboot.

Slowdown lasted this time since last night.
Just rebooted and am back up to speed.

Hope this information is helpful.

Jim

> I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the problem we are seeing
> with massive slowdowns in the evenings does not reside within our
> wireless network.
>
> It's 10:50pm, and I'm doing a tcpdump at Victrees while doing a couple
> of simultaneous apt-get updates on my box and at Victrees.  Both of them
> are crawling.
>
> There is almost no traffic right now.  Schuyler has an IRC session
> going, I see some email traffic and a bit of web traffic and that is it.
>  Nothing to indicate any massive data transfers, or anything else out of
> the ordinary.
>
> FTP tests from my PC to Victrees give me between 1-2 megabits/second.
> FTP tests from my PC to Sonic give me 3.8kbps.  Barely modem speed.
>
> If I had to guess, I would say that our DSL line is to blame.  I hate to
> drag out this old saw, but we only have 384k of outbound bandwidth.
> Since I'm guessing that the majority of our traffic is TCP-based rather
> than UDP-based, that means that any incoming packet must be ACKed back
> to the source.  That's how TCP works.
>
> We have enough usage/users here that in the evenings - prime time for
> Net usage, I'm not suprised that we might be tanking the DSL.
>
> Max, can we get Sonic/PacBell to do DSL testing on the line?  It would
> be ideal if we could get them to test in the evening when the problem
> seems to occur.
>
> I'm going to get Cacti - a monitoring tool - up and running at Victrees,
> and when I do I'll publish the URL for it.
>
> Roger
>
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From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 18:51:27 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (rjw)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:51:27 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Re: Back to operational
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMMEONEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>
References: <000d01c37d2b$2db8fe30$1e082a0a@notebook> <NEBBILICKKJHDHGMJHCMMEONEOAA.max@theslimmers.net>
Message-ID: <20030917105127.A26943@sonic.net>

We say that we've had serious performance problems in the evenings for several weeks now.  The problems have been getting worse.  Last night the DSL line was dropping 50-80 percent of all packets, and the problem persisted through the evening until 7:30am when the DSL hardware was reset.

I'd like to have them run tests on the line and the DSL hardware to determine the cause of the problem.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 09:56:41AM -0700, Max Slimmer wrote:
> If reseting the hardware on our end fixed the problem, what do we say to
> Sonic?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: 'Matt Townsend'; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> > Cc: max@TheSlimmers.net
> > Subject: Back to operational
> >
> >
> > As of 7:30 we had 81% packet loss on pings to Sonic.
> >
> > As I believe this is entirely a DSL problem I called Bob Parks at
> > Victrees a
> > few minutes ago - it's now 7:44 - and asked him to reset the DSL hardware.
> >
> > Within 2 minutes we were back to normal.  FTP speed tests to Sonic from my
> > place returned 2.8mbps.
> >
> > Max, we either have a hardware issue with the DSL hardware at
> > Victrees or we
> > have a line issue.  Can you open a ticket with Sonic and report
> > the problem?
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
> [mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
> On Behalf Of Matt Townsend
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:33 AM
> To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info
> 
> 
> Since we're marking times:
> 
> 6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11.
> Ditto at 7:30 am.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
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From cahelstrom at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 20:15:12 2003
From: cahelstrom at hotmail.com (Curt Helstrom)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:15:12 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational
Message-ID: <Law9-F61c0xvlUQ9cAg000268b9@hotmail.com>

Hi Roger, Max,

The timing you describe below Roger, doesn't jive with what I was seeing.  I 
still
had very low speeds all the way to heading for bed around 10:30 PM last 
night.

It certainly wasn't working any better for me at 9:30 PM when I did a 
complete
reboot of all my equipment to see if it might be at my end.

Curt


>From: "Max Slimmer" <max@theslimmers.net>
>To: "Roger Weeks" <rjw@sonic.net>,   "'Matt Townsend'" 
><matt_townsend@earthlink.net>, <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
>Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:41 -0700
>
>If reseting the hardware on our end fixed the problem, what do we say to
>Sonic?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: 'Matt Townsend'; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> > Cc: max@TheSlimmers.net
> > Subject: Back to operational
> >
> >
> > As of 7:30 we had 81% packet loss on pings to Sonic.
> >
> > As I believe this is entirely a DSL problem I called Bob Parks at
> > Victrees a
> > few minutes ago - it's now 7:44 - and asked him to reset the DSL 
>hardware.
> >
> > Within 2 minutes we were back to normal.  FTP speed tests to Sonic from 
>my
> > place returned 2.8mbps.
> >
> > Max, we either have a hardware issue with the DSL hardware at
> > Victrees or we
> > have a line issue.  Can you open a ticket with Sonic and report
> > the problem?
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
>[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
>On Behalf Of Matt Townsend
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:33 AM
>To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info
>
>
>Since we're marking times:
>
>6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11.
>Ditto at 7:30 am.
>
>Matt
>
>
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From rjw at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 21:22:50 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:22:50 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F61c0xvlUQ9cAg000268b9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c37d59$793da3f0$1e082a0a@notebook>

7:30AM this morning.  The problem persisted all night until I called Bob =
at
Victrees this morning and had him reset the DSL.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of Curt Helstrom
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
To: max@theslimmers.net; rjw@sonic.net; matt_townsend@earthlink.net;
nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational


Hi Roger, Max,

The timing you describe below Roger, doesn't jive with what I was =
seeing.  I

still
had very low speeds all the way to heading for bed around 10:30 PM last=20
night.

It certainly wasn't working any better for me at 9:30 PM when I did a=20
complete
reboot of all my equipment to see if it might be at my end.

Curt


>From: "Max Slimmer" <max@theslimmers.net>
>To: "Roger Weeks" <rjw@sonic.net>,   "'Matt Townsend'"=20
><matt_townsend@earthlink.net>, <nocatnet@lists.nocat.net>
>Subject: [NoCatNet] RE: Back to operational
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:41 -0700
>
>If reseting the hardware on our end fixed the problem, what do we say=20
>to Sonic?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Weeks [mailto:rjw@sonic.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: 'Matt Townsend'; nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
> > Cc: max@TheSlimmers.net
> > Subject: Back to operational
> >
> >
> > As of 7:30 we had 81% packet loss on pings to Sonic.
> >
> > As I believe this is entirely a DSL problem I called Bob Parks at=20
> > Victrees a few minutes ago - it's now 7:44 - and asked him to reset=20
> > the DSL
>hardware.
> >
> > Within 2 minutes we were back to normal.  FTP speed tests to Sonic=20
> > from
>my
> > place returned 2.8mbps.
> >
> > Max, we either have a hardware issue with the DSL hardware at=20
> > Victrees or we have a line issue.  Can you open a ticket with Sonic=20
> > and report the problem?
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net
>[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
>On Behalf Of Matt Townsend
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 7:33 AM
>To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
>Subject: [NoCatNet] Speed info
>
>
>Since we're marking times:
>
>6:45 am Wednesday. Can ping all network but cannot ping 208.201.224.11. =

>Ditto at 7:30 am.
>
>Matt
>
>
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From schuyler at oreilly.com  Wed Sep 17 23:01:39 2003
From: schuyler at oreilly.com (Schuyler Erle)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:01:39 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Thanks and ....
In-Reply-To: <web-1854720@scoe.org>
References: <web-1854720@scoe.org>
Message-ID: <20030917220139.GB10288@oreillynet.com>

* On 17-Sep-2003 at 10:55AM PDT, kgreen@sebusd.org said:
> 
> To my uneducated eye, the link betwen Twin Hills Middle 
> School and Apple Blossom Elementary looks to be the 
> easiest.
> Also, the superintendant is on board and has given me 
> carte blanche to crawl around roofs and such.
> I am available any time of day or night to make this 
> happen.

A site survey is definitely in order. Who wants to be involved? When
is a good time to get started on this? Would this Friday afternoon be
a suitable time?

SDE


From adam at sonic.net  Wed Sep 17 23:50:25 2003
From: adam at sonic.net (adam)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:50:25 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Thanks and ....
In-Reply-To: <20030917220139.GB10288@oreillynet.com>
References: <web-1854720@scoe.org> <20030917220139.GB10288@oreillynet.com>
Message-ID: <20030917155025.D7835@sonic.net>

I'll volunteer time, but if there's already more than 4 going out then I'll
hang back. What's the gear situation like?

--Adam

* Schuyler Erle <schuyler@oreilly.com> [2003-09-17 15:02]:
> * On 17-Sep-2003 at 10:55AM PDT, kgreen@sebusd.org said:
> > 
> > To my uneducated eye, the link betwen Twin Hills Middle 
> > School and Apple Blossom Elementary looks to be the 
> > easiest.
> > Also, the superintendant is on board and has given me 
> > carte blanche to crawl around roofs and such.
> > I am available any time of day or night to make this 
> > happen.
> 
> A site survey is definitely in order. Who wants to be involved? When
> is a good time to get started on this? Would this Friday afternoon be
> a suitable time?
> 
> SDE
> 
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From schuyler at oreilly.com  Thu Sep 18 00:12:10 2003
From: schuyler at oreilly.com (Schuyler Erle)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:12:10 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Thanks and ....
In-Reply-To: <20030917155025.D7835@sonic.net>
References: <web-1854720@scoe.org> <20030917220139.GB10288@oreillynet.com> <20030917155025.D7835@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <20030917231210.GC10288@oreillynet.com>

* On 17-Sep-2003 at  3:50PM PDT, adam said:
> I'll volunteer time, but if there's already more than 4 going out then I'll
> hang back. What's the gear situation like?

I have a 24 dB dish and a laptop with either a Senao or an Orinoco
card. Roger has volunteered more or less the same.

SDE


From jb at murdico.com  Thu Sep 18 15:21:28 2003
From: jb at murdico.com (JB Murdico)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:21:28 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Organizational Structure
Message-ID: <20030918141759.M77454@murdico.com>

I am currently trying to organize a community wireless network in the 
Albany/Schenectady/Troy, NY area.  Is there a preferred organizational 
structure for creating and managing an organization like this?  I want to lay 
that ground work before any work gets started to avoid conflict as much as 
possible. Thanks.

++JB Murdico


From suttonreidiv at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 03:24:05 2003
From: suttonreidiv at yahoo.com (Sutton Reid)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Netgear MR814 wireless router
Message-ID: <20030919022405.97833.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com>

Is anyone using this guy? What do you think of it?

Thanks, Sutton

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com


From phanson at northstarmicro.dyndns.org  Fri Sep 19 03:36:36 2003
From: phanson at northstarmicro.dyndns.org (Paul Hanson)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:36:36 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] Netgear MR814 wireless router
In-Reply-To: <20030919022405.97833.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030919022405.97833.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1063938996.3f6a6bb4668ad@192.168.1.5>

I have set-up a friend with 2 of these - one at each his permenent home and
vacation home.  They work pretty good.  If I recall the older one (more than a
year old) does not have a removable antennae - the newer one (1 month) does have
a replacable antennae.  They are prone to failure when the house gets struck by
lightening however.  The strike took out his entire wired network.  Replaced it
with another.  Anyone know if there is a USB wired ethernet adapter available
for a new iMac (osX and 9.2)?


Quoting Sutton Reid <suttonreidiv@yahoo.com>:

> Is anyone using this guy? What do you think of it?
> 
> Thanks, Sutton
> 
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From bkeane at umail.ucsb.edu  Fri Sep 19 06:19:05 2003
From: bkeane at umail.ucsb.edu (Brian Keane)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:19:05 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] WiFi Router + Eth Router w/ nocat?
Message-ID: <KNELKHJKENMJHFMIEMIJOEBGCAAA.bkeane@umail.ucsb.edu>

I've got nocat running auth&gw on same machine.  It's doing its job
wonderfully.  To make things more complicated:
My box is configured with:
two (2) old-fassioned (10/100baseT) ethernet interfaces: eth0 & eth1
one (1) prism2.5 based 802.11b PCI card: wlan0

Previous to my nocat install, I had routing setup in iptables so that eth0's
connection to the internet was NATed to the two internal interfaces eth1 and
wlan0.

With nocat running, I get wireless internet access just fine.  I don't,
however, get propper routing to my wired network through eth1.  This is of
course due to the changes that nocat has made to my iptables.  I'm wondering
if anyone out there has had any luck setting up nocat&iptables to route both
"wlan0 and eth1 traffic."

Thanks,
Brian
bkeane@umail.ucsb.edu



From info at pogowave.com  Mon Sep 22 07:13:28 2003
From: info at pogowave.com (PogoWave Info)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:13:28 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] (no subject)
Message-ID: <web-363501@pogowave.com>

Hello.
    Just wanted to reply to a message posted about 
Pogowave Communications.  Pogowave actually offers 384/128 
for $39.95 a month and 512/256 for $59.95 a month.  The 
speeds are dedicated to each customer using a bandwidth 
management unit to achieve a dependable quality of service 
to each user.  It would be to expensive for a provider to 
actually dedicate a 3MB connection to a residential 
customer.  Also, as well as the USB system Pogowave offers 
an ethernet based system that includes two static IP 
addresses, and will work with any computer or networking 
device that uses TCP/IP.  Pogowave uses a 
point-to-multipoint wireless network that has a central 
network operations center housed in a temperature 
controlled equipment station with a 7 day backup power 
generator.
    Pogowave does not have anything against NoCat.  In 
fact they sometimes refer customers that are not in their 
area or cannot connect to NoCat. 
    Some of the things a potential wireless customer needs 
to take into consideration are:  connection reliability, 
customer support and tech support, value added services, 
no hidden fees, and networking needs.  So ask alot of 
questions, choose wisely, and don't be fooled by hype.

Happy surfing!
    


From bsertel at amherst.edu  Mon Sep 22 17:18:12 2003
From: bsertel at amherst.edu (Brian Ertel)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:18:12 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] SameMachine
Message-ID: <13A04D6B2BE15748AAB5DD80A24DE06D06B13C@mail2.amherst.edu>

Hi,

When executing the  $ make PREFIX=3D/usr/local/nocat/gw gateway to start =
the SameMachine build (on a Red Hat 9.0 box)
I get the following message:  make: *** No rule to make target =
'gateway'.  Stop.

Any thoughts?

Thank you,

Brian


______________________

Brian Ertel
Network Administrator
Amherst College
bsertel@amherst.edu
413.542.8320
______________________



From matt_townsend at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 23 22:51:23 2003
From: matt_townsend at earthlink.net (Matt Townsend)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:51:23 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Dusty Lane Speed and some WAP11 fun facts
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030923142332.013cc160@mail.earthlink.net>

In keeping with experimental findings I bought a WAP11 to replace the relay 
radio at Dusty Lane. The incumbent setup is Via-based with two Senao cards 
next to each other front to back.

Speeds at the Via at my place seldom exceeded 1.3mbps and only occasionally 
1.8. Never over 2mbps.

The swap involved installing a hub, connecting the WAP11 to it and the 
sector ant, and yanking the Senao card. Roger did the software changes. The 
AP is sitting about 1.5 feet from the Via, pending later installation in a 
waterproof box and a longer lead to the antenna. Speed tests, using 
10.42.2.1's 10meg FTP file and measured at my desktop range from 3.5 to 
4.55 mbps over 8 runs at 2pm. So, we now have 3 cases where moving the AP 
side of the node away from the other radio card(s) out I/O speed ratios.

And I'm thrilled BTW!

In using the WAP11 in AP mode I found little of the problems reported 
recently in a forum. In fact I found their Tech Support, both Telephone and 
Email to be quite excellent especially for a $63 unit.  But the items I 
needed tech support for should have been in their documentation. Why did I 
need tech support?

- Chapter 6 of the User Manual states I can connect the unit directly to my 
computer's NIC and view their HTML-based setup using a browser. But the 
connection needs to be a crossover cable. Also, you need to change your 
TCP/IP settings to a fixed address that's in range of their default 
192.168.1.251. Otherwise the setup is pretty straightforward.
- You can view that interface through a hub as well and still need to 
change IP address. You'll also need to turn off any use of proxy servers 
for both this and the above case.
- Unless you need to add filters or change durations and antenna settings 
you can make all the other changes using the Setup CD directly.
- On the HTML interface, if installing the WAP11 using an external antenna, 
you'll need to go to their wireless setup screen (not found on the CD 
setup) and change the antenna setting. Default is diversity. The transmit 
side is connected to the right antenna. Set the antenna setting to right. 
As you look at the front of the unit the right antenna is on the leftmost 
connector. Yes, yes. tech support will tell you its the right connector. 
Its not.

I'd use WAP11 again, especially at under $70.

Matt



From matt_townsend at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 23 23:33:41 2003
From: matt_townsend at earthlink.net (Matt Townsend)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:33:41 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Re: Attn.: Rich -->> ok to replace long power cord with
 shorter one???
In-Reply-To: <49662.209.204.139.228.1064355651.squirrel@ssl.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030923153313.013caa40@mail.earthlink.net>

Just about any outdoor power cord will do. Go for it.

At 03:20 PM 9/23/2003 -0700, jimtalks@sonic.net wrote:
>Matt and Rich,
>
>There is an orange 25' outdoor powercord on sale: 13 amps 16 guage 125
>watts that I'd like to get and use to replace the longer powercord we've
>been using since Xmas.
>I think it will reach the same socket that Rich plugged into with my
>longer cord.
>If not, a closer socket may need to be tested to make sure is computer-safe.
>A vague history of sockets available upon request.
>
>Reason: I would like to use the longer cord with my leaf-blower from which
>it was cannibalized.
>Unless you guys tested the longer one and it is more suitable; i.e., not
>same amps, guage, watts, etc.
>
>Objections?
>
>Jim
>Cordless in Sebastopol



From jhenderson at landemonium.com  Wed Sep 24 03:08:35 2003
From: jhenderson at landemonium.com (John-David Henderson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:08:35 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] question on trustedkeys.gpg
Message-ID: <871E74B3C70DDE40A5BB6C838B8C08168CCD@www.landemonium.com>

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I have a question regarding moving the trustedkeys.gpg from the auth
server

To the gateway server.  In the directions it doesn't tell me where to
put the

trustedkeys.gpg file on the Gateway server.  Can anybody tell me where.
Also

when I try and copy the file trustedkeys.gpg it will not paste to tmp
folder or any other

folder for that matter due to some write permissions on it.  The
directory that I have set aside

is chmod 777 for me to write to it.  Any suggestions to both of these
questions would be

greatly appreciated.

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trustedkeys.gpg from
the auth server</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>To the gateway server.&nbsp; In the directions it =
doesn&#8217;t
tell me where to put the</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>trustedkeys.gpg file on the Gateway server. &nbsp;Can =
anybody
tell me where.&nbsp; Also</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>when I try and copy the file trustedkeys.gpg it will =
not
paste to tmp folder or any other</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>folder for that matter due to some write permissions =
on it.&nbsp;
The directory that I have set aside</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>is chmod 777 for me to write to it.&nbsp; Any =
suggestions to both
of these questions would be</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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From jhenderson at landemonium.com  Wed Sep 24 09:36:55 2003
From: jhenderson at landemonium.com (John-David Henderson)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:36:55 -0400
Subject: [NoCatNet] question regarding login page
Message-ID: <871E74B3C70DDE40A5BB6C838B8C0816012A25@www.landemonium.com>

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I have my own auth server, and own gateway server as well.

The problem I am having right now is not when I register a username

But when I try and login as that user.  The error is:

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Server Error!

The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your
request.

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Error message:

Premature end of script headers: login

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If you think this is a server error, Please contact the webmaster

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Error 500

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192.168.2.46

Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)

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The log file from nocat.log is below

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[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Spawning child process 1780.

[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Connection to 10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30

[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Capturing  10.10.2.30  for http://www.dell.com/

[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Notifying parent of Capture on peer
00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Got notification Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:01] Child process returned 1

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Spawning child process 1781.

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Connection to 10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Capturing  10.10.2.30  for
http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/truste
dr/en/authrootseq.txt

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Notifying parent of Capture on peer
00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Got notification Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:02] Child process returned 1

[2003-09-24 02:11:12] Spawning child process 1782.

[2003-09-24 02:11:12] Connection to 192.168.2.124 from 192.168.2.46

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Received notify 00:30:BD:90:1E:43 from
192.168.2.46

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Use of uninitialized value in print at
/usr/local/nocat/bin/../lib/NoCat/Message.pm line 109, <GEN101> line 3.

gpgv: verify signatures failed: eof

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] gpgv --homedir=3D/usr/local/nocat/bin/../pgp
returned 2

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Invalid auth message!

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Capturing  192.168.2.46  for
http://192.168.2.12400:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Notifying parent of Capture on peer
00:08:C7:77:53:48

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Got notification Capture of peer 00:08:C7:77:53:48

[2003-09-24 02:11:13] Child process returned 1

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Spawning child process 1784.

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Connection to 10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Capturing  10.10.2.30  for http://www.linux.org/

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Notifying parent of Capture on peer
00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Got notification Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43

[2003-09-24 02:11:27] Child process returned 1

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Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have my own auth server, and own gateway server as =
well.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The problem I am having right now is not when I =
register a
username</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>But when I try and login as that user.&nbsp; The =
error is:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Server Error!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The server encountered an internal error and was =
unable to
complete your request.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Error message:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Premature end of script headers: =
login</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you think this is a server error, Please contact =
the
webmaster</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Error 500</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>192.168.2.46</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)</span></font></p>

<div style=3D'border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The log file from nocat.log is =
below</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Spawning child
process 1780.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Connection to
10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Capturing&nbsp;
10.10.2.30&nbsp; for http://www.dell.com/</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Notifying parent
of Capture on peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Got =
notification
Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:01</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Child =
process
returned 1</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Spawning child
process 1781.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Connection to
10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Capturing&nbsp;
10.10.2.30&nbsp; for
http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trusted=
r/en/authrootseq.txt</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Notifying parent
of Capture on peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Got =
notification
Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:02</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Child =
process
returned 1</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:12</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Spawning child
process 1782.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:12</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Connection to
192.168.2.124 from 192.168.2.46</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Received notify </span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>00:30</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:BD:90:1E:43
from 192.168.2.46</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Use of =
uninitialized
value in print at /usr/local/nocat/bin/../lib/NoCat/Message.pm line 109,
&lt;GEN101&gt; line 3.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>gpgv: verify signatures failed: eof</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] gpgv =
--homedir=3D/usr/local/nocat/bin/../pgp
returned 2</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Invalid auth
message!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Capturing&nbsp;
192.168.2.46&nbsp; for =
http://192.168.2.12400:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Notifying parent
of Capture on peer 00:08:C7:77:53:48</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Got =
notification
Capture of peer 00:08:C7:77:53:48</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:13</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Child =
process
returned 1</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Spawning child
process 1784.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Connection to
10.10.2.10 from 10.10.2.30</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Capturing&nbsp;
10.10.2.30&nbsp; for http://www.linux.org/</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] =
Notifying parent
of Capture on peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Got =
notification
Capture of peer 00:30:BD:90:1E:43</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>[2003-09-24 </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
 =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>02:11:27</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>] Child =
process
returned 1</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any help would be greatly =
appreciated.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>JD Henderson</span></font></p>

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From suttonreidiv at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 24 20:12:20 2003
From: suttonreidiv at yahoo.com (Sutton Reid)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Building VIA box memory question
Message-ID: <20030924191220.64278.qmail@web14405.mail.yahoo.com>

In rummaging around, I found that I have 32MB of
PC100. Matt mentioned that I could actually get by
with 64 MB. What about 32?

thx, sutton

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From acrandal at cse.ogi.edu  Mon Sep 22 22:46:08 2003
From: acrandal at cse.ogi.edu (Aaron Crandall)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:46:08 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] Patches for newer versions of OpenBSD's pf.
In-Reply-To: <20030922183656.25590.83536.Mailman@mouse>
Message-ID: <2D08A768-ED46-11D7-8F05-000A957C8B32@cse.ogi.edu>

Greetings to the nocat users out there,

I was setting up my first gateway on an OpenBSD 3.3 system, and ran 
across some problems with the pf scripting that occurs during the start 
up of the nocat gateway.  The initial release of the nocat OpenBSD 
portability seems to have used only the OpenBSD 3.0 pf, which has 
changed significantly in the last 18 months.  It only took two quick 
patches to get the gateway to start up cleanly.


Since 3.1 the pf that ships with OpenBSD uses pf.conf for all 
configuration.  /etc/nat.conf no longer is used on most systems.  This 
causes a problem when the reset.fw script is run:


bash-2.05b# diff /usr/local/nocat/bin/reset.fw ./reset.fw
9c9
< pfctl -N /etc/nat.conf
---
 > pfctl -N /etc/pf.conf


The initialize.fw script needed a cluster of updates.  The pfctl 
command needed to be told that the trailing '-' is the input file, by 
using the -f switch.  The syntax for the icmp protocol seems to have 
been tightened up a bit.  The keyword 'inet' needed to be added to the 
pf rule.  Once these two types of updates happened, the script ran just 
fine.

bash-2.05b# diff /usr/local/nocat/bin/initialize.fw ./initialize.fw
32c34
< print "$NAT" | pfctl -N -
---
 > print "$NAT" | pfctl -N -f-
125,126c127,130
< PF="${PF}\n pass in quick on $InternalDevice proto icmp from any to 
$InternalDevice/32\n";
< PF="${PF}\n pass in quick on $InternalDevice proto icmp from any to 
$ExternalDevice/32\n";
---
 > PF="${PF}\n pass in quick on $InternalDevice inet proto icmp from any 
to $InternalDevice/32\n";
 > PF="${PF}\n pass in quick on $InternalDevice inet proto icmp from any 
to $ExternalDevice/32\n";
---
128c132
< print "$PF" | pfctl -R -
---
 > print "$PF" | pfctl -R -f-



From jimtalks at sonic.net  Tue Sep 23 23:20:51 2003
From: jimtalks at sonic.net (jimtalks@sonic.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NoCatNet] Attn.: Rich -->> ok to replace long power cord with shorter one???
Message-ID: <49662.209.204.139.228.1064355651.squirrel@ssl.sonic.net>

Matt and Rich,

There is an orange 25' outdoor powercord on sale: 13 amps 16 guage 125
watts that I'd like to get and use to replace the longer powercord we've
been using since Xmas.
I think it will reach the same socket that Rich plugged into with my
longer cord.
If not, a closer socket may need to be tested to make sure is computer-safe.
A vague history of sockets available upon request.

Reason: I would like to use the longer cord with my leaf-blower from which
it was cannibalized.
Unless you guys tested the longer one and it is more suitable; i.e., not
same amps, guage, watts, etc.

Objections?

Jim
Cordless in Sebastopol




From maillist at computer-medic.us  Mon Sep 22 19:20:02 2003
From: maillist at computer-medic.us (David Shaw)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:20:02 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] HELP with authentication server
Message-ID: <002501c38136$270c9920$6330a8c0@stbernard.com>

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From rjw at sonic.net  Thu Sep 25 05:20:34 2003
From: rjw at sonic.net (Roger Weeks)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:20:34 -0700
Subject: [NoCatNet] HELP with authentication server
In-Reply-To: <002501c38136$270c9920$6330a8c0@stbernard.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c3831c$5f5bcac0$1e082a0a@notebook>

Please post this to the NoCat software list:

nocat@lists.nocat.net

Folks, this is a periodic reminder: =20

The NoCatNet mailing list - nocatnet@lists.nocat.net - is for discussion =
of
wireless networking in West Sonoma County.

The NoCat mailing list - nocat@lists.nocat.net is for all questions and
discussion of the NoCat software.

Thank you
Roger Weeks

-----Original Message-----
From: nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net =
[mailto:nocatnet-admin@lists.nocat.net]
On Behalf Of David Shaw
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:20 AM
To: nocatnet@lists.nocat.net
Subject: [NoCatNet] HELP with authentication server


Hello All, I have a small node at work. I would like to authenticate the
user. And I use your authentication server and limit who is aloud to use =
the
network or should I build my own authentication server?
=20
Thanks, David



From jb at murdico.com  Sun Sep 28 22:46:04 2003
From: jb at murdico.com (JB Murdico)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:46:04 -0500
Subject: [NoCatNet] NoCat on low end machines
Message-ID: <20030928214149.M24404@murdico.com>

Do you think I would have any problems running a NoCat auth service on a P133 
with 32MB of ram? I have no idea what resources are needed for https and 
mysql.  

I would also like to use a 486DX 50Mhz with 12MB for the gateway if possible. 

Thanks in advance.

JB Murdico 
http://www.albanywireless.org/