From zaterio at othernet.cl  Mon Jul  3 21:56:09 2006
From: zaterio at othernet.cl (Daniel Ortiz)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:56:09 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] From Chile
Message-ID: <44A9F4E9.90101@othernet.cl>

Hi
I represent Chilewireless-Sincables.cl a wireless community from Chile, 
we have many projetcs in wireless activism,  congratulations for your 
iniciative, i take the liberty to publish a review of your book 
"Wireless Networking in the Developing World" in our front-page in 
http://www.sincables.cl,  i want to know how we  can help you or 
contribute to  your project, if you have some material to translate or 
some feedback from us please tell us

congratulations

Daniel Ortiz
CWL-Sincables.cl administrator



From jrforster at mac.com  Mon Jul  3 21:24:53 2006
From: jrforster at mac.com (Jim Forster)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:24:53 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] From Chile
In-Reply-To: <44A9F4E9.90101@othernet.cl>
References: <44A9F4E9.90101@othernet.cl>
Message-ID: <5BC6135F-C83B-4D1A-8B0F-316F86DC1535@mac.com>

Hello Daniel,

Thank you for the review.   Even though I unfortunately don't know  
Spanish, babelfish.altavista.com helped me understand it.

What would be great for the WNDW project would be if you could  
describe some of the projects that you know about, and make entries  
for them in the Case Studies section of the Wiki.   Spanish or  
English (or both!).


   -- Jim



On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:56 PM, Daniel Ortiz wrote:

> Hi
> I represent Chilewireless-Sincables.cl a wireless community from  
> Chile,
> we have many projetcs in wireless activism,  congratulations for your
> iniciative, i take the liberty to publish a review of your book
> "Wireless Networking in the Developing World" in our front-page in
> http://www.sincables.cl,  i want to know how we  can help you or
> contribute to  your project, if you have some material to translate or
> some feedback from us please tell us
>
> congratulations
>
> Daniel Ortiz
> CWL-Sincables.cl administrator



From jrforster at mac.com  Wed Jul  5 14:08:20 2006
From: jrforster at mac.com (Jim Forster)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:08:20 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] Fwd: A new USB antenna is born...
References: <44ABF60A.9030500@yahel.org>
Message-ID: <B213FFAD-05AB-4ABB-9BDD-C456CF3BAC30@mac.com>

 From Yahel Ben-David, in Dharamsala, another great development --  
dual radio 4-watt outdoor wireless routers.

Dewayne: for Dewayne-net, if you wish...Also, I can't recall if the  
announcement of the Spanish version of WNDW has made it to Dewayne- 
net.    Well, it's now available in Spanish, for both free download  
or hardcopy purchase.   See wndw.net.

   -- Jim


Photos have been moved to http://wiki.wndw.net/moin/ 
DualRadioConstruction.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Yahel Ben-David <yahel at yahel.org>
> Date: July 5, 2006 10:25:30 AM PDT
> To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
> Subject: A new USB antenna is born...
> Reply-To: yahel at yahel.org
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> As we plan to expend the Mesh network next week - I had to prepare  
> some routers and antennas today.
>
>
> Background:
> ------------------
>
> For some time now - we are using the Netgear routers with USB2.0  
> port and PCI radio.
> With these we experiment multiple uses of dual-channel routers.
> I doubt if there is any cheaper solution for dual-radio routers in  
> the world.
> Moreover, the overall power consumption of the router with two  
> radios transmitting in maximum power is less then 4w !
> Ideal for long PoE feeds and for solar power applications.
>
> We also found that the use of a USB radio - which is mounted  
> outside the case of the router where the stock radio is,  
> dramatically reduces interference. In typical multi-radio devices  
> (such as WARP) we notice much interference between radios - even if  
> used on different bands (i.e. 802.11g and 802.11a).
>
> Needless the say, there is no loss of power on long coaxial feeds -  
> as the radio is inside the antenna.
>
>
> The router runs a modified "Kamikaze" version of OpenWRT with  
> Kernel 2.6.
> We managed to compile a drivers for multiple USB radio chips into  
> that kernel.
> At present we are experimenting with these chips:
> ZyDas 1211  (802.11g) and ZyDas 1201 (802.11b) - these are found in  
> the most popular and low-cost USB-radios.
> Both give excellent results - we normally use them in AdHoc mode,  
> but we got them working in client mode as well.
> The open-source driver is still a bit problematic in AP mode - so  
> when we need an AP feature - we use the stock Atheros PCI radio of  
> the Netgear.
>
> This Netgear model is discontinued !
> We bought all we could find on EBAY and elsewhere - most routers  
> for as low as $35-40 !
>
> These units are great - we even have a USB2.0 hard-drive connected  
> to them - which makes them great for development.
> You should be able to compile on the unit itself- no need for cross- 
> compilation and cross-debugging...
> We also use them to mount their own root FS from a remote NFS server !
>
> The only device, which is reasonably priced and have these features  
> (some of them at least) is the Asus WL-500g.
> However, it's hard to find these under $100.
>
>
> Today's development:
> --------------------------------
>
> As you can see from the attached photos - I managed to implant a  
> USB radio (ZD1211 based) inside a 12dBi antenna.
> It was tight, but done.
> Within days, we can report on the results of this new unit.
> I'm willing to bet the performance will be much better then when we  
> use the same antenna with WRT54G.
>
>
> Enjoy the photos.
>
>
> Yahel.
> Dharamsala.
>

(Photos have been moved to http://wiki.wndw.net/moin/ 
DualRadioConstruction.)

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From tom at dataero.com  Wed Jul  5 22:53:40 2006
From: tom at dataero.com (Thomas McGonagle)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:53:40 -0400
Subject: [WNDW] Fwd: A new USB antenna is born...
In-Reply-To: <B213FFAD-05AB-4ABB-9BDD-C456CF3BAC30@mac.com>
References: <44ABF60A.9030500@yahel.org>
	<B213FFAD-05AB-4ABB-9BDD-C456CF3BAC30@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2BAB518A-91D2-48B2-8575-40285BFE027E@dataero.com>

Hi Jim,
  Thanks for sending Yahel's e-mail. What a hack!!
  I am working on the city wide Cambridge, MA free public wireless  
network. It is a community wireless network created through a  
partnership with
Harvard, MIT, Boston Museum of Science, and the city of Cambridge.

  We are using the same netgear WGT634Us that Yahel is using in  
Dharamsala. But instead of using OLSR (Optimized Link State Routing  
Protocol) we are using Roofnet a mesh protocol developed at MIT.  
(http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php?id=wgt634u)

  We are doing a lot of things Yahel is doing. Without the extra USB  
wifi dongle the WGT634U only eats 2W of power. Even in the middle of  
a New England winter we should still be able to power the access  
points with solar power. In fact in Massachusetts there might be a  
tax credit of $500.00 for the purchase of solar powered equipment/ 
devices. Does anyone know?

  Yahel, I was curious about your experience with the USB wifi  
dongles, and compiling support into Kamikaze. May I contact you off  
list?

  Also, if anyone else is working on Mesh networking with OpenWrt and  
WGT634Us please feel free to jump in, or get in touch with me.

  If anyone is in the Boston/Cambridge MA area July 12th Ill be  
hosting a Wifi meetup on the Cambridge wireless network. More details  
can be found at http://wifi.meetup.com/3/events/4888319/

Have a great day!
-Tom

Thomas A. McGonagle
tom at dataero.com
Cell #: 781-526-4706
Work #: 617-494-3404 (4-12AM)



On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Jim Forster wrote:

> From Yahel Ben-David, in Dharamsala, another great development --  
> dual radio 4-watt outdoor wireless routers.
>
> Dewayne: for Dewayne-net, if you wish...Also, I can't recall if the  
> announcement of the Spanish version of WNDW has made it to Dewayne- 
> net.    Well, it's now available in Spanish, for both free download  
> or hardcopy purchase.   See wndw.net.
>
>   -- Jim
>
>
> Photos have been moved to http://wiki.wndw.net/moin/ 
> DualRadioConstruction.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Yahel Ben-David <yahel at yahel.org>
>> Date: July 5, 2006 10:25:30 AM PDT
>> To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
>> Subject: A new USB antenna is born...
>> Reply-To: yahel at yahel.org
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> As we plan to expend the Mesh network next week - I had to prepare  
>> some routers and antennas today.
>>
>>
>> Background:
>> ------------------
>>
>> For some time now - we are using the Netgear routers with USB2.0  
>> port and PCI radio.
>> With these we experiment multiple uses of dual-channel routers.
>> I doubt if there is any cheaper solution for dual-radio routers in  
>> the world.
>> Moreover, the overall power consumption of the router with two  
>> radios transmitting in maximum power is less then 4w !
>> Ideal for long PoE feeds and for solar power applications.
>>
>> We also found that the use of a USB radio - which is mounted  
>> outside the case of the router where the stock radio is,  
>> dramatically reduces interference. In typical multi-radio devices  
>> (such as WARP) we notice much interference between radios - even  
>> if used on different bands (i.e. 802.11g and 802.11a).
>>
>> Needless the say, there is no loss of power on long coaxial feeds  
>> - as the radio is inside the antenna.
>>
>>
>> The router runs a modified "Kamikaze" version of OpenWRT with  
>> Kernel 2.6.
>> We managed to compile a drivers for multiple USB radio chips into  
>> that kernel.
>> At present we are experimenting with these chips:
>> ZyDas 1211  (802.11g) and ZyDas 1201 (802.11b) - these are found  
>> in the most popular and low-cost USB-radios.
>> Both give excellent results - we normally use them in AdHoc mode,  
>> but we got them working in client mode as well.
>> The open-source driver is still a bit problematic in AP mode - so  
>> when we need an AP feature - we use the stock Atheros PCI radio of  
>> the Netgear.
>>
>> This Netgear model is discontinued !
>> We bought all we could find on EBAY and elsewhere - most routers  
>> for as low as $35-40 !
>>
>> These units are great - we even have a USB2.0 hard-drive connected  
>> to them - which makes them great for development.
>> You should be able to compile on the unit itself- no need for  
>> cross-compilation and cross-debugging...
>> We also use them to mount their own root FS from a remote NFS  
>> server !
>>
>> The only device, which is reasonably priced and have these  
>> features (some of them at least) is the Asus WL-500g.
>> However, it's hard to find these under $100.
>>
>>
>> Today's development:
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> As you can see from the attached photos - I managed to implant a  
>> USB radio (ZD1211 based) inside a 12dBi antenna.
>> It was tight, but done.
>> Within days, we can report on the results of this new unit.
>> I'm willing to bet the performance will be much better then when  
>> we use the same antenna with WRT54G.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy the photos.
>>
>>
>> Yahel.
>> Dharamsala.
>>
>
> (Photos have been moved to http://wiki.wndw.net/moin/ 
> DualRadioConstruction.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> WNDW mailing list
> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw

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From avotrecoute at babel-telecom.net  Mon Jul 10 07:19:58 2006
From: avotrecoute at babel-telecom.net (Babel T?com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:19:58 +0200
Subject: [WNDW] help for translate
In-Reply-To: <mailman.248.1152165233.7033.wndw@lists.nocat.net>
References: <mailman.248.1152165233.7033.wndw@lists.nocat.net>
Message-ID: <20060710161958.oiprovbxno0ko8os@webmail.babel-telecom.net>

HI ,

I'm VICTOR TONON

MANAGER of e-Mediastar (www.e-mediastar.com) and BABEL-TELECOM (
www.babel-telecom.net). i've downloaded your works on WIFI implementation in
developping countries as i'm gathering information for a business plan on
wifi-meshing project in a west african town. i'm originated from benin (west
africa) and establishing new office in mali( bamako , and segou), where i am
currently.

i would like to help you in participating to the translation team from english
to french, i'm fluent in english, in french (native) and spanish.

thanks in telling me what to do to help your team.


Victor TONON
President

BABEL INTERNATIONAL GOLDEN GROUP S.A.
Environnement - Economie d'Energie - Industrie du recyclage
Negoce International - Telecoms

5178 H, Rue 1359 Akpakpa, Finagnon, Cotonou, B?nin
03 BP 2781 Jericho
T?l.: (229) 339134 - 339244 / Fax.: (229) 338128

Site Web: www.babel-s.a.com  -  Courriel: avotrecoute at babel.s.a.com





From jrforster at mac.com  Mon Jul 10 09:28:46 2006
From: jrforster at mac.com (Jim Forster)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:28:46 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] help for translate
In-Reply-To: <20060710161958.oiprovbxno0ko8os@webmail.babel-telecom.net>
References: <mailman.248.1152165233.7033.wndw@lists.nocat.net>
	<20060710161958.oiprovbxno0ko8os@webmail.babel-telecom.net>
Message-ID: <F06E0F39-DD43-49B9-8DC2-729F3281D742@mac.com>

Hello Victor,

These plans sound quite interesting and I wish you success with them.

There is a French translation of WNDW already in progress.   In fact,  
I think the basic translation is actually done and is in review.   I  
believe Sylvia Cadena, one of our team, has the current status.    
Sylvia, it's probably worthwhile posting a status to the wider  
wndw at lists.nocat.net list.



   -- Jim


On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Babel T?com wrote:

> HI ,
>
> I'm VICTOR TONON
>
> MANAGER of e-Mediastar (www.e-mediastar.com) and BABEL-TELECOM (
> www.babel-telecom.net). i've downloaded your works on WIFI  
> implementation in
> developping countries as i'm gathering information for a business  
> plan on
> wifi-meshing project in a west african town. i'm originated from  
> benin (west
> africa) and establishing new office in mali( bamako , and segou),  
> where i am
> currently.
>
> i would like to help you in participating to the translation team  
> from english
> to french, i'm fluent in english, in french (native) and spanish.
>
> thanks in telling me what to do to help your team.
>
>
> Victor TONON
> President
>
> BABEL INTERNATIONAL GOLDEN GROUP S.A.
> Environnement - Economie d'Energie - Industrie du recyclage
> Negoce International - Telecoms
>
> 5178 H, Rue 1359 Akpakpa, Finagnon, Cotonou, B?nin
> 03 BP 2781 Jericho
> T?l.: (229) 339134 - 339244 / Fax.: (229) 338128
>
> Site Web: www.babel-s.a.com  -  Courriel: avotrecoute at babel.s.a.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WNDW mailing list
> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw



From sylvia at colnodo.apc.org  Wed Jul 12 09:01:59 2006
From: sylvia at colnodo.apc.org (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:01:59 -0300
Subject: [WNDW] help for translate
In-Reply-To: <F06E0F39-DD43-49B9-8DC2-729F3281D742@mac.com>
References: <mailman.248.1152165233.7033.wndw@lists.nocat.net>	<20060710161958.oiprovbxno0ko8os@webmail.babel-telecom.net>
	<F06E0F39-DD43-49B9-8DC2-729F3281D742@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44B51CF7.9020108@colnodo.apc.org>

Sorry for my delay to reply... but I've been traveling and just getting 
the work done from my parents house in Colombia :) while preparing last 
details for WALC in Quito.

I've will post an announcement on the wiki about the french translation 
and put Victor in contact with the rest of the translation team.

All the best,

Sylvia

Jim Forster wrote:
> Hello Victor,
> 
> These plans sound quite interesting and I wish you success with them.
> 
> There is a French translation of WNDW already in progress.   In fact,  
> I think the basic translation is actually done and is in review.   I  
> believe Sylvia Cadena, one of our team, has the current status.    
> Sylvia, it's probably worthwhile posting a status to the wider  
> wndw at lists.nocat.net list.
> 
> 
> 
>    -- Jim
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Babel T?com wrote:
> 
>> HI ,
>>
>> I'm VICTOR TONON
>>
>> MANAGER of e-Mediastar (www.e-mediastar.com) and BABEL-TELECOM (
>> www.babel-telecom.net). i've downloaded your works on WIFI  
>> implementation in
>> developping countries as i'm gathering information for a business  
>> plan on
>> wifi-meshing project in a west african town. i'm originated from  
>> benin (west
>> africa) and establishing new office in mali( bamako , and segou),  
>> where i am
>> currently.
>>
>> i would like to help you in participating to the translation team  
>> from english
>> to french, i'm fluent in english, in french (native) and spanish.
>>
>> thanks in telling me what to do to help your team.
>>
>>
>> Victor TONON
>> President
>>
>> BABEL INTERNATIONAL GOLDEN GROUP S.A.
>> Environnement - Economie d'Energie - Industrie du recyclage
>> Negoce International - Telecoms
>>
>> 5178 H, Rue 1359 Akpakpa, Finagnon, Cotonou, B?nin
>> 03 BP 2781 Jericho
>> T?l.: (229) 339134 - 339244 / Fax.: (229) 338128
>>
>> Site Web: www.babel-s.a.com  -  Courriel: avotrecoute at babel.s.a.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WNDW mailing list
>> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
>> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> WNDW mailing list
> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw
> 
> 

-- 
Participe en el WALC 2006
www.walc2006.ula.ve

Consulte el libro "Redes inal?mbricas para el Desarrollo" en espa?ol
http://www.wilac.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=197&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

----------------------------------------------------
Sylvia Cadena - sylvia at colnodo.apc.org
J.M. Sosa 2281 / 701 Montevideo 11300, Uruguay
Tel. (+5982) 7111502
----------------------------------------------------





From coordinacion at wilac.net  Wed Jul 12 09:29:48 2006
From: coordinacion at wilac.net (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:29:48 -0300
Subject: [WNDW] help for translate
In-Reply-To: <F06E0F39-DD43-49B9-8DC2-729F3281D742@mac.com>
References: <mailman.248.1152165233.7033.wndw@lists.nocat.net>	<20060710161958.oiprovbxno0ko8os@webmail.babel-telecom.net>
	<F06E0F39-DD43-49B9-8DC2-729F3281D742@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44B5237C.9060702@wilac.net>

Sorry for my delay to reply... but I've been traveling and just getting
the work done from my parents house in Colombia :) while preparing last
details for WALC in Quito.

I've will post an announcement on the wiki about the french translation
and put Victor in contact with the rest of the translation team.

All the best,

Sylvia

Jim Forster wrote:
> Hello Victor,
> 
> These plans sound quite interesting and I wish you success with them.
> 
> There is a French translation of WNDW already in progress.   In fact,  
> I think the basic translation is actually done and is in review.   I  
> believe Sylvia Cadena, one of our team, has the current status.    
> Sylvia, it's probably worthwhile posting a status to the wider  
> wndw at lists.nocat.net list.
> 
> 
> 
>    -- Jim
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Babel T?com wrote:
> 
>> HI ,
>>
>> I'm VICTOR TONON
>>
>> MANAGER of e-Mediastar (www.e-mediastar.com) and BABEL-TELECOM (
>> www.babel-telecom.net). i've downloaded your works on WIFI  
>> implementation in
>> developping countries as i'm gathering information for a business  
>> plan on
>> wifi-meshing project in a west african town. i'm originated from  
>> benin (west
>> africa) and establishing new office in mali( bamako , and segou),  
>> where i am
>> currently.
>>
>> i would like to help you in participating to the translation team  
>> from english
>> to french, i'm fluent in english, in french (native) and spanish.
>>
>> thanks in telling me what to do to help your team.
>>
>>
>> Victor TONON
>> President
>>
>> BABEL INTERNATIONAL GOLDEN GROUP S.A.
>> Environnement - Economie d'Energie - Industrie du recyclage
>> Negoce International - Telecoms
>>
>> 5178 H, Rue 1359 Akpakpa, Finagnon, Cotonou, B?nin
>> 03 BP 2781 Jericho
>> T?l.: (229) 339134 - 339244 / Fax.: (229) 338128
>>
>> Site Web: www.babel-s.a.com  -  Courriel: avotrecoute at babel.s.a.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WNDW mailing list
>> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
>> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> WNDW mailing list
> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw
> 
> 

-- 
Participe en el WALC 2006
www.walc2006.ula.ve

Consulte el libro "Redes inal?mbricas para el Desarrollo" en espa?ol
http://www.wilac.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=197&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

----------------------------------------------------
Sylvia Cadena - sylvia at colnodo.apc.org
J.M. Sosa 2281 / 701 Montevideo 11300, Uruguay
Tel. (+5982) 7111502
----------------------------------------------------






From jrforster at mac.com  Mon Jul 17 15:29:18 2006
From: jrforster at mac.com (Jim Forster)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:29:18 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] Possible spam reduction for wndw lists?
Message-ID: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>

Hi folks,

Someone once showed me a small trick to reduce email address  
harvesting from web sites.  Rather than simply putting a mailto:,  
such as mailto:wndw at lists.nocat.net in the html, the suggestion was  
to code it as a very simple Javascript segment, which simply did the  
equivalent of write('m'); write('a'); write('i')....but I don't know  
Javascript.   Can someone suggest the proper string to include?   Any  
thoughts as to whether it will help reduce spam to these lists?

Thanks,

   -- Jim



From ihoward at adaptic.ca  Mon Jul 17 15:30:34 2006
From: ihoward at adaptic.ca (Ian Howard)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:30:34 -0400
Subject: [WNDW] Possible spam reduction for wndw lists?
In-Reply-To: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>
References: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44BC0F8A.5050204@adaptic.ca>

I don't know about you Jim, but I rather enjoy these extra emails...



Jim Forster wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Someone once showed me a small trick to reduce email address  
> harvesting from web sites.  Rather than simply putting a mailto:,  
> such as mailto:wndw at lists.nocat.net in the html, the suggestion was  
> to code it as a very simple Javascript segment, which simply did the  
> equivalent of write('m'); write('a'); write('i')....but I don't know  
> Javascript.   Can someone suggest the proper string to include?   Any  
> thoughts as to whether it will help reduce spam to these lists?
>
> Thanks,
>
>    -- Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WNDW mailing list
> WNDW at lists.nocat.net
> http://lists.nocat.net/mailman/listinfo/wndw
>   

-- 
Ian Howard
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From rob at nocat.net  Mon Jul 17 17:00:48 2006
From: rob at nocat.net (Rob Flickenger)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:00:48 -0700
Subject: [WNDW] Possible spam reduction for wndw lists?
In-Reply-To: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>
References: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <643E1996-8EFE-4A4B-AE6B-F7435A809151@nocat.net>

Hi, Jim--

We could obscure the list address, if someone has some good  
javascript code (I'm no JS expert either.)  But I think the damage is  
done; unless we change the list address, it has already been picked  
up by the spam dudes.

It's funny you should mention that now.  On the filtering side, I've  
been testing SpamAssassin on my personal account since last friday.   
It looks pretty good so far; I intend to make it a site-wide policy  
in a week or so.  So far I've had 0 false positives and less than 5%  
false negatives (so overall a 95% or so reduction in spam with no  
side effects...)  I just want to give it a little more testing before  
I throw the switch.

--Rob

On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Jim Forster wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Someone once showed me a small trick to reduce email address
> harvesting from web sites.  Rather than simply putting a mailto:,
> such as mailto:wndw at lists.nocat.net in the html, the suggestion was
> to code it as a very simple Javascript segment, which simply did the
> equivalent of write('m'); write('a'); write('i')....but I don't know
> Javascript.   Can someone suggest the proper string to include?   Any
> thoughts as to whether it will help reduce spam to these lists?
>
> Thanks,
>
>    -- Jim



From Mail3 at sysmod.com  Tue Jul 18 00:59:22 2006
From: Mail3 at sysmod.com (Patrick O'Beirne)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:59:22 +0100
Subject: [WNDW] Possible spam reduction for wndw lists?
In-Reply-To: <B82B77ED-DEBF-4C35-9ABC-298840DEFB54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20060718085236.021bd3d0@mail.sysmod.com>

At 23:29 17/07/2006, Jim Forster wrote:
>I don't know
>Javascript.   Can someone suggest the proper string to include?

An alternative is to use graphic images of addresses.

Here's what I use:

I keep my JS functions in a file jsfuncs.js

// JavaScript Functions
function jsmail(user, domain, suffix){
document.write('<a href="' + 'mailto:' + user + '@' + domain + '.' + suffix 
+ '">' + user + '@' + domain + '.' + suffix + '</a>');
}


Then in the html I put two entries - at the top to load the file, then 
where I want to call the function. I use noscript to show the graphic where 
people have not JS enabled. Or you could use plain text like

send email to mail3 at sysmod dot com


<head>
[...other stuff...]
<script language="JavaScript" src="jsfuncs.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
</head>

Then where needed:

<script language="javascript">
      jsmail("mail3","sysmod","com");
</script>
<noscript>
    <img border="0" src="mailus.gif" alt="Send email to sysmod.com" 
width="159" height="15">
</noscript>



  Patrick O'Beirne,  software consultant   Tel: +353 5394 22294

  <http://www.exceluserconference.com/2006UKEUC.html>
  2006 UK Excel User Conference July 19/21st, 2006, London, UK
.



From benmulele2 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 18 13:00:17 2006
From: benmulele2 at yahoo.com (Benoit Ben Mulele)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [WNDW] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20060718200017.2220.qmail@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From sylvia at colnodo.apc.org  Tue Jul 25 14:57:22 2006
From: sylvia at colnodo.apc.org (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:57:22 -0300
Subject: [WNDW] launching of spanish book
Message-ID: <44C693C2.2020001@colnodo.apc.org>

Dear all,

Yesterday night, the official launch of the book follows the inaugural
ceremony of WALC 2006. Book were distributed among the participants of
track 1 (coordinated by Ermanno) and also to his team helping the
development of the track. The book looks great!!!

All the best,

Sylvia

-- 
Participe en el WALC 2006
www.walc2006.ula.ve

Consulte el libro "Redes inal?mbricas para el Desarrollo" en espa?ol
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Sylvia Cadena - sylvia at colnodo.apc.org
J.M. Sosa 2281 / 701 Montevideo 11300, Uruguay
Tel. (+5982) 7111502
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From sylvia at colnodo.apc.org  Tue Jul 25 15:05:30 2006
From: sylvia at colnodo.apc.org (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:05:30 -0300
Subject: [WNDW] book review
Message-ID: <44C695AA.1040907@colnodo.apc.org>

don't know if you have seen this already, but anyway, 
http://ispcolumn.isoc.org/2006-07/wndw-review.html

-- 
Participe en el WALC 2006
www.walc2006.ula.ve

Consulte el libro "Redes inal?mbricas para el Desarrollo" en espa?ol
http://www.wilac.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=197&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

----------------------------------------------------
Sylvia Cadena - sylvia at colnodo.apc.org
J.M. Sosa 2281 / 701 Montevideo 11300, Uruguay
Tel. (+5982) 7111502
----------------------------------------------------





From sghuter at nsrc.org  Wed Jul 26 13:20:47 2006
From: sghuter at nsrc.org (Steven G. Huter)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:20:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [WNDW] launching of spanish book
In-Reply-To: <44C693C2.2020001@colnodo.apc.org>
References: <44C693C2.2020001@colnodo.apc.org>
Message-ID: <20060726201951.M84389@psg.com>

> Yesterday night, the official launch of the book follows the inaugural
> ceremony of WALC 2006. Book were distributed among the participants of
> track 1 (coordinated by Ermanno) and also to his team helping the
> development of the track. The book looks great!!!

hola sylvia,

good to know that they arrived in time - i hope there were enough copies 
for everyone.

Steve Huter
Network Startup Resource Center (NSRC)
University of Oregon
http://www.nsrc.org/


From sylvia at colnodo.apc.org  Mon Jul 31 08:27:55 2006
From: sylvia at colnodo.apc.org (Sylvia Cadena)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:55 -0300
Subject: [WNDW] launching of spanish book
In-Reply-To: <20060726201951.M84389@psg.com>
References: <44C693C2.2020001@colnodo.apc.org> <20060726201951.M84389@psg.com>
Message-ID: <44CE217B.7060906@colnodo.apc.org>

it was like chocolate bread at the door of a school :) the book was very 
well received and every body wants one! still!

thanks a lot again for your help,
sylvia

Steven G. Huter wrote:
>> Yesterday night, the official launch of the book follows the inaugural
>> ceremony of WALC 2006. Book were distributed among the participants of
>> track 1 (coordinated by Ermanno) and also to his team helping the
>> development of the track. The book looks great!!!
> 
> hola sylvia,
> 
> good to know that they arrived in time - i hope there were enough copies 
> for everyone.
> 
> Steve Huter
> Network Startup Resource Center (NSRC)
> University of Oregon
> http://www.nsrc.org/
> 
> 

-- 
Participe en el WALC 2006
www.walc2006.ula.ve

Consulte el libro "Redes inal?mbricas para el Desarrollo" en espa?ol
http://www.wilac.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=197&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

----------------------------------------------------
Sylvia Cadena - sylvia at colnodo.apc.org
J.M. Sosa 2281 / 701 Montevideo 11300, Uruguay
Tel. (+5982) 7111502
----------------------------------------------------





From sghuter at nsrc.org  Mon Jul 31 08:33:29 2006
From: sghuter at nsrc.org (Steven G. Huter)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:33:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [WNDW] launching of spanish book
In-Reply-To: <44CE217B.7060906@colnodo.apc.org>
References: <44C693C2.2020001@colnodo.apc.org> <20060726201951.M84389@psg.com>
	<44CE217B.7060906@colnodo.apc.org>
Message-ID: <20060731153200.O37996@psg.com>

> it was like chocolate bread at the door of a school :) the book was very well 
> received and every body wants one! still!

it's great that they can download a full copy from the net for free.

> thanks a lot again for your help,

you're welcome. we'll plan to distribute copies, along with some other 
good books on wireless, for the ica project.

steve